| --- Log opened Sat Jul 31 00:00:25 2010 |
| 01:13 | | Zed [Zed@Nightstar-e4835f03.or.comcast.net] has joined #code |
| 01:14 | < Zed> | Anyone want to start a company that will sell me a product that I'll pay 50$ for and not even think about pirating? |
| 01:15 | < Zed> | Someone write a multi-IM network client like Trillian or Gaim or Meebo that has hardware overlay functions like Xfire or Steam. |
| 01:15 | < Zed> | Make 100% sure that it works with media players, and you've doubled your market. :P |
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| 01:36 | < Tarinaky> | Zed: I have briefly considered some ideas and designs and come to the conclusion that selling it at 50$ I would not turn a profit. |
| 01:38 | < Tarinaky> | Zed: My advice, to you, would be to buy the cheapest netbook or miniPC you can find and connect it to your gaming rig with a KVM solution. |
| 01:38 | < Tarinaky> | Run your IM software on the cheap rig. |
| 01:38 | < Tarinaky> | And game on the regular one. |
| 01:38 | < Zed> | eh, or chat on an ipod touch. :P |
| 01:38 | < Tarinaky> | Same difference. |
| 01:39 | < Zed> | Honestly, doing it as a 30$ annual subscription would be a better deal for both |
| 01:39 | < Namegduf> | I do something "like" that. |
| 01:39 | < Namegduf> | I chat on my netbook. |
| 01:40 | < Namegduf> | Also convenient for reading guides or anything else while gaming. |
| 01:40 | < Zed> | Mmm. Steam is a good solution while gaming |
| 01:40 | < Zed> | Browser and chat while in games |
| 01:40 | < Tarinaky> | To be honest. I don't tend to use the feature that much. |
| 01:40 | < Tarinaky> | Certainly not the browser :/ |
| 01:41 | < Zed> | sure, it only works on the Steam network, but most of the people who REALLY wish they could talk to me while I game will install Steam |
| 01:41 | < Namegduf> | Sure- but it can't talk to IRC or my other IM networks, making it kinda useless. |
| 01:41 | < Zed> | eh, I wish the browser feature was integrated a little less sneakily |
| 01:41 | < Tarinaky> | I'm trying to pry myself off IRC so I can get more done with my life etc... |
| 01:42 | < Namegduf> | And I would not pay a subscription. |
| 01:42 | < Zed> | even if you just made a hardware overlay that could open a web browser or program in a window, people could do what they wanted with it |
| 01:42 | < Zed> | see: meebo, webIRC, etc. |
| 01:43 | < Namegduf> | Problems with this: |
| 01:43 | < Zed> | hell, I suppose I REALLY should be talking to Microsoft about this, but whatever - see how long multimonitor gaming took, and it came from ATI/Nvidia, not MS |
| 01:43 | < Zed> | same sort of deal, tho |
| 01:43 | < Namegduf> | 1) Need to rejoin all channels separately, on all networks, so I can't practically just remain around. |
| 01:44 | < Namegduf> | 2) Separate logs, if logs at all. |
| 01:44 | < Namegduf> | It isn't seamless, and is actually quite a pain. |
| 01:44 | < Zed> | -shrugs- I don't know an IRC solution that works like Meebo, but Meebo is pretty seamless |
| 01:44 | < Zed> | online logs, chat window positions stay across multiple logins, etc. |
| 01:44 | < Namegduf> | It can't be seamless if you aren't already using Meebo. |
| 01:44 | < Zed> | Meebo = webtrillian. |
| 01:44 | < Namegduf> | Because of those two points I just gave. |
| 01:45 | < Zed> | -shrugs- |
| 01:45 | < Zed> | As seamless as switching clients |
| 01:45 | < Namegduf> | Which is very not seamless. |
| 01:45 | < Zed> | unfortunately, no IRC as yet. :P |
| 01:45 | < Zed> | -shrugs- |
| 01:45 | < Zed> | I would argue that point |
| 01:46 | < Zed> | I'd say faulting a program for not being the program you already use is kinda splitting hairs. :P |
| 01:46 | < Namegduf> | Not really. |
| 01:46 | < Zed> | heh. OK. |
| 01:46 | < Namegduf> | And I'm not faulting the program persay. I'm faulting the solution of using it. |
| 01:46 | < Zed> | Just, when a program comes along and does what I want it to, better than what I was already using, I resign myself to losing some of the client-proprietary backlog of data I've had. |
| 01:47 | < Namegduf> | Oh, sure, I'll do that- but only if I intend to make the switch permanent. |
| 01:47 | < Zed> | -nods- |
| 01:47 | < Zed> | Meebo started doing enough of the things I wanted Trillian to do that I saw a good reason to make it permanent |
| 01:47 | < Namegduf> | In my case, that would never happen, because I have a very nice setup built on irssi and Bitlbee. |
| 01:47 | < Zed> | -nods- |
| 01:48 | < Zed> | When Meebo offered me Trillian-style multichat with online permanent chatlogs, I went with it. |
| 01:48 | < Zed> | I mean, since I could do it from whatever terminal |
| 01:49 | < Namegduf> | Doing that with IRC would be a tad messy |
| 01:49 | < Namegduf> | Not at all impossible, but you'd need to make some compromises. |
| 01:49 | < Zed> | Was nice being able to borrow an ipod and chat on MSN without configuring anything, or sit down on the terminal belonging to someone I tutor or was doing a job for, etc. |
| 01:49 | < Zed> | You certainly would - UI wouldn't feel HALF as slick. |
| 01:50 | < Namegduf> | What's more, their backend would either need to stay connected forever, or connect so long as there was a single place with the UI open, or something. |
| 01:50 | < Zed> | Not knowing whether the person was running linux or windows or osx or whatever, so you can't make assumptions about keycombos, etc. |
| 01:50 | < Zed> | Hm? You mean to keep IRC continuity? |
| 01:51 | < Zed> | I admit I don't understand what you're saying |
| 01:51 | < Namegduf> | Well, their backend would need to connect to the IRC server to talk. |
| 01:51 | < Zed> | well, yes. |
| 01:52 | < Zed> | and the way IRC works, you'd have to connect on a session basis |
| 01:52 | < Namegduf> | This means it seeming eternally connected and usable from multiple locations would need to be done one of those two ways. |
| 01:52 | < Namegduf> | Or that. |
| 01:52 | < Zed> | there's no other way |
| 01:53 | < Zed> | IRC usage is way too user-unique |
| 01:53 | < Namegduf> | You could have it work akin to a bouncer |
| 01:53 | < Namegduf> | And stay forever connected |
| 01:53 | < Namegduf> | But this has performance costs. |
| 01:54 | < Zed> | I'd say a good tradeoff is having it stay forever connected so long as the web session is open |
| 01:54 | < Namegduf> | s/the/a/ |
| 01:54 | < Zed> | the only way? |
| 01:55 | < Namegduf> | Nah, "a web session" |
| 01:55 | < Namegduf> | Since you can have more than one. |
| 01:55 | < Tarinaky> | An IRC connection isn't a huge performance cost is it? |
| 01:55 | < Namegduf> | I dunno, depends how many people are using it, and how long you keep logs. |
| 01:55 | < Tarinaky> | Oh wait. I thought we were talking client. |
| 01:55 | < Namegduf> | You're essentially providing a bouncer service for free. |
| 01:55 | < Zed> | -nods- |
| 01:56 | < Zed> | so you need to figure out how it's not free |
| 01:56 | < Zed> | aka, you either have paid subscriptions or ad content or link it into a business model |
| 01:56 | < Zed> | if you link it into a business model, the service is available to those using something you sell, and mindshare effectively pays back into it |
| 01:56 | < Zed> | See: Steam |
| 01:57 | < Zed> | what's the word for mindshare that implies rather than functionality paradigm... err, userbase? |
| 01:57 | < Zed> | userbase? Is that it? |
| 01:57 | < Zed> | anyways |
| 01:57 | < Tarinaky> | The problem with trying to launch a steam-alike is you'd need to compete with Steam. |
| 01:57 | < Zed> | -nods- not suggesting competing with Steam |
| 01:57 | < Namegduf> | A Steam-alike would be unwise |
| 01:57 | < Tarinaky> | Unless you've got a few tens of millions to throw at it that's not even going to come close to happening. |
| 01:58 | < Zed> | just saying, they started a chat thing because they were selling something, and people buy things on Steam because they use the Steamchat |
| 01:58 | < Zed> | (I say that because it coming up in the face of people helps) |
| 01:58 | < Zed> | that's the "business model" idea |
| 01:58 | < Zed> | other systems work like Meebo, with mouseover banner ads, or MSN, where they attach their communications networks to their software |
| 01:58 | < Zed> | ditto Google |
| 01:59 | < Zed> | See, Trillian tried to do the subscription and paid user thing, but eventually pretty much failed because it added ZERO utility over any other solution |
| 01:59 | < Namegduf> | Google runs a whole bunch of stuff with zero revenue just because they feel like it. |
| 01:59 | < Namegduf> | When costs are sufficiently low, compared to some things, you can do that. |
| 01:59 | < Zed> | "just because they feel like it" is an oversimplification |
| 01:59 | < Namegduf> | I think they view it as helpful in the very long run. |
| 01:59 | < Zed> | they do something cool on their networks, it attracts people to their stuff |
| 02:00 | < Tarinaky> | They get some ethemeral benefits. |
| 02:00 | < Zed> | some of their stuff they sell, in various ways |
| 02:00 | < Zed> | ephemeral? |
| 02:00 | < Tarinaky> | That's the word. |
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| 02:00 | < Zed> | I wouldn't describe them as ephemeral so much as intangible. |
| 02:00 | < Tarinaky> | But I think they just use that as an excuse to do it "because it;s cool" most the time. |
| 02:00 | < Zed> | Difficult to count |
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| 02:00 | < Namegduf> | That might be true if Google DNS was linked in any way to Google Search. |
| 02:00 | < Zed> | "because it's cool", in a business sense, translates into a topless bartender |
| 02:00 | < Namegduf> | I think it's not the userbase reasoning. |
| 02:01 | < Zed> | starts making unbelievably good sense soon enough |
| 02:01 | < Zed> | namebrand awareness? :P |
| 02:01 | < Namegduf> | Somewhat different to discussion of stuff "on their networks". |
| 02:01 | < Namegduf> | But that'd be one. |
| 02:04 | < Zed> | Just, I keep finding various stuff that I'd love to be able to pay 100$ a year for the functionality of |
| 02:04 | < Zed> | hardware overlay application starts |
| 02:05 | < Namegduf> | I just have a ?200 second machine |
| 02:05 | < Zed> | shell terminal continuity of IRC stuff |
| 02:05 | < Zed> | etc. |
| 02:05 | < Namegduf> | That exists. |
| 02:05 | < Zed> | Sure |
| 02:05 | < Zed> | I just have to set it up with someone, and then set up whatever else with someone else, etc. |
| 02:05 | < Namegduf> | Huh? |
| 02:05 | < Tarinaky> | 1) Rent shell account 2) pipe IRC through it 3) ??? 4) Profit! |
| 02:05 | < Namegduf> | Right. |
| 02:06 | < Tarinaky> | There're IRC clients that're designed for that scenario out of the box. |
| 02:06 | < Namegduf> | Although Quassel is poorly designed. |
| 02:06 | < Zed> | -nods- I know. |
| 02:06 | < Zed> | Just saying. |
| 02:06 | < Tarinaky> | And if you couldn't configure an IRC client you wouldn't be here. |
| 02:06 | < Namegduf> | You're saying you'd pay $100 a year for something that exists already? |
| 02:07 | < Zed> | there's just enough different things that I use that keep getting updated that would need tweaking, it'd be nice to pay someone for |
| 02:07 | < Zed> | See: direct3d overlays, IM network connectivity, etc. |
| 02:07 | < Zed> | I didn't say "I'd like to pay five people 100$ each so I could do things I could keep switching solutions on" |
| 02:08 | < Zed> | Honestly, you're right when you say a KVM really starts looking like the right solution |
| 02:08 | < Zed> | Easy enough to set up a box that stays on all the time |
| 02:08 | < Tarinaky> | I believe that in order for a software solution to work it'd have to be hacked on a program-by-program basis. |
| 02:08 | < Zed> | Mostly for in-house networking, with several functions set up in telnet. :P |
| 02:08 | < Namegduf> | I don't actually use a KVM, just a little netbook. I can take it around the house and such, too. |
| 02:09 | < Namegduf> | Please tell me you mean SSH. |
| 02:09 | < Namegduf> | Please. |
| 02:09 | < Namegduf> | :P |
| 02:09 | < Zed> | Yeah, yeah. |
| 02:09 | < Zed> | Actually, I meant SERIAL TERMINAL |
| 02:09 | < Zed> | fucker |
| 02:09 | < Zed> | yes, SSH |
| 02:09 | < Zed> | My VT400 started going on the fritz |
| 02:09 | < Zed> | point BEING |
| 02:09 | < Zed> | (asshole) |
| 02:10 | < Zed> | I can have a box that stays online doing the things I want an online box to be doing |
| 02:10 | < Zed> | :) |
| 02:10 | < Namegduf> | Yeah, you can do that. |
| 02:10 | < Zed> | Also, it's honestly about time to start separating my media collections and user terminal |
| 02:10 | < Zed> | So trying to figure out how to fit a RAID into a box with cooling solutions for gaming is silly. |
| 02:11 | < Zed> | Here's my big issue with various multi-device thingies: peripherals. |
| 02:11 | < Tarinaky> | What I'd like to buy is a case with space for two motherboards and an integrated KVM solution. |
| 02:11 | < Tarinaky> | Or at least KM solution. |
| 02:11 | < Zed> | You spend a certain amount ...whuuuuuuut. |
| 02:11 | < Zed> | you so crazy. :P |
| 02:11 | < Zed> | And while you do that? |
| 02:12 | < Zed> | You should put it in a fishtank with a dedicated separate hard drive compartment and run it mineral oil cooled |
| 02:12 | < Zed> | ANYWAYS. |
| 02:12 | < Zed> | back to reality |
| 02:12 | < Tarinaky> | Well. Ideally I want two computers - one to game on and one to work on. |
| 02:12 | < Zed> | (BUT I COULD DO THAT!) |
| 02:12 | < Zed> | sorry, can't stop giggling |
| 02:12 | < Tarinaky> | But I want to conserve space. |
| 02:12 | < Zed> | Ah. :) |
| 02:12 | < Tarinaky> | So I'd love it if I could fit two computers in one case. |
| 02:13 | < Zed> | But, yeah. When you start developing monitor addictions |
| 02:13 | < Zed> | and cherry keyswitch addictions |
| 02:13 | < Zed> | and hifi headphone addictions |
| 02:13 | < Zed> | suddenly being forced to talk on your phone, chat on your laptop, and game on your desktop seems REALLY irritating |
| 02:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | I just game on the desktop and do everything else on the laptop (on the server, via NX) |
| 02:15 | < Tarinaky> | Incidentally, if anyone knows where I can get cases that'll fit two motherboards I'd be really happy :p |
| 02:15 | < Zed> | Seems like you'd be best suited drilling holes in plexiglass for that kind of thing, Tar |
| 02:16 | < Zed> | who makes that ridiculous open-air case? |
| 02:16 | < Zed> | the one where you can spill soda or toss paper airplanes onto your motherboard? |
| 02:16 | < Zed> | seems like Asus or something |
| 02:17 | < Zed> | Plexiglass has the advantage of being drillable and boltable using a Dremel tool. :P |
| 02:18 | < Zed> | Though I wonder how much random grounding is relied on by consumer PC electronics these days through screws and power cords |
| 02:18 | < Tarinaky> | I don't feel confident enough with a drill :/ |
| 02:19 | < Zed> | See, you put the mobo where you want it and mark screwholes with a sharpie through the holes |
| 02:19 | < Zed> | and then do a tiny hole |
| 02:19 | < Zed> | then just put the screw in and let it thread itself. |
| 02:19 | < Zed> | take the screws back out, then attach the mobo |
| 02:19 | < Zed> | some other plastics work well with that theory, too |
| 02:20 | < Zed> | just stay away from anything that's static-y |
| 02:20 | < Tarinaky> | Other things to bear in mind though. What would be an option for sharing drives? |
| 02:20 | < Zed> | You simply don't. |
| 02:21 | < Zed> | both systems run concurrently, individual drives, one of them has partitions that are network shared |
| 02:21 | < Zed> | most of your data is fast enough over gigabit, innit? |
| 02:21 | < Tarinaky> | I presume so. I've not crunched numbers or anything. I was really hoping to be able to find a kit really. :/ |
| 02:21 | < Tarinaky> | (Yes, I know. Lame >.>) |
| 02:22 | < Zed> | Alternately, you get a drive enclosure that has multiple connections, and when you switch computers, you switch connections |
| 02:22 | < Zed> | firewire on one, esata on the other, for example |
| 02:22 | | * Zed is not very technical, but very good at figuring out how to work things in odd ways |
| 02:22 | < Tarinaky> | My main concern is for like a DVD drive. |
| 02:22 | < Zed> | The computer that's not the server is the one you want the DVD drive on. |
| 02:22 | < Zed> | problem solved. |
| 02:23 | < Tarinaky> | Problem is - if I want to play a game I need the game disc in the Windows PC. |
| 02:23 | < Zed> | That's what I mean. |
| 02:23 | < Zed> | You have it on the Windows PC. |
| 02:23 | < Tarinaky> | If I want to watch a film I need the DVD in the Linux PC. |
| 02:23 | < Zed> | ...what? |
| 02:23 | < Zed> | why would you do that? :P |
| 02:24 | < Zed> | that's inventing problems, right there |
| 02:24 | < Zed> | unless there's some amazing benefit I've never heard of before |
| 02:24 | < Tarinaky> | Yes. Not having to use Windows unless I have to >.> |
| 02:24 | < Zed> | esp. when you factor in all the various hardware acceleration that only works on Windows |
| 02:24 | < Tarinaky> | It's a sodding film. It only has to run as fast as the film plays. |
| 02:25 | < Tarinaky> | >.> |
| 02:25 | < Zed> | iffin you ever start thinking about blu-ray, you'll change your tune on that one |
| 02:25 | < Zed> | even if it's just serials you're torrenting images of |
| 02:25 | < Tarinaky> | Blu-Ray will never work on Linux anyway for other reasons. |
| 02:25 | < Zed> | Say you want to watch blu-ray eps of some nature thing or something |
| 02:25 | < Tarinaky> | And HD rips have worked fine so far. |
| 02:26 | < Zed> | sure, you don't NEED blu-ray |
| 02:26 | < Tarinaky> | With the exception that my current computer has problems with the CPU cooling. |
| 02:26 | < Zed> | but there's shows whose basic premise is LOOK HOW PRETTY THIS IS |
| 02:26 | < Namegduf> | I don't watch those. :P |
| 02:26 | < Zed> | no? |
| 02:26 | < Zed> | BBC's Planet Earth? |
| 02:26 | < Namegduf> | No, I don't watch much TV. |
| 02:26 | < Zed> | Top Gear? |
| 02:26 | < Zed> | anything like that ever? |
| 02:26 | < Namegduf> | Nope. |
| 02:26 | < Zed> | kk. |
| 02:26 | < Tarinaky> | Zed: I've downloaded and watched rips with resolutions close to the size of my monitor - I'm fine. |
| 02:26 | < Zed> | :) |
| 02:26 | < Zed> | fair enough |
| 02:27 | < Zed> | I'm about THIS close to starting my CRT snobbishness, so shutting up about that there is good |
| 02:27 | < Zed> | :) |
| 02:27 | < Tarinaky> | I'll probably end up just getting one PC probably :/ |
| 02:27 | | * Zed nods |
| 02:27 | < Zed> | The solution I see most people running on? |
| 02:27 | < Tarinaky> | If I can get even that though >.> |
| 02:27 | < Namegduf> | I just divide roles between machines. |
| 02:28 | < Zed> | Is setting up a home network with a filebox that runs a couple things as nix services. |
| 02:28 | < Namegduf> | Main laptop, whatever I'm doing. |
| 02:28 | < Namegduf> | Netbook, side browsing and chat. |
| 02:28 | < Tarinaky> | Namegduf: I'm thinking about replaceing this box in the next year or so... and I;m thinking about going back to Uni. |
| 02:28 | < Tarinaky> | I know from experience that there's barely enough space in my room for -one- computer. |
| 02:28 | < Tarinaky> | *there will be barely enough |
| 02:28 | < Namegduf> | Removes the sharing to some degree. |
| 02:29 | < Zed> | -shrugs- when you remove the need for a chair, peripherals, monitor, etc., room becomes easier to work with |
| 02:29 | < Zed> | the filebox starts looking like adding a printer under the desk - it takes room, but nothing you can't live without |
| 02:29 | < Zed> | Oh, anyone here a keyboard geek? |
| 02:29 | < Zed> | I've found some interesting products lately |
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| 02:32 | < Zed> | -laughs- OK, so no-one wants to hear my tactile keyswitch fansquee. 'sok. :) |
| 02:32 | < Tarinaky> | I know I need to get a netbook if I do go back to Uni. Dunno if there's some way I can use that to meaningfully cut down on my desktop consumption :/ |
| 02:33 | < Zed> | If you can stand using your netbook for general use, sure. |
| 02:33 | < Tarinaky> | Problem is I still need a rig I can play games on and leave at home downloading crap. |
| 02:33 | < Zed> | like, it's ironic, but you might have a lot of your internet tasks slaved from a server box |
| 02:34 | < Zed> | -shrugs- the gaming thing you might want to put on hold if you're at school |
| 02:34 | < Tarinaky> | Impractical tbh. |
| 02:34 | < Zed> | Not gaming? or using a netbook? |
| 02:35 | < Tarinaky> | Not gaming. |
| 02:35 | | * Zed nods |
| 02:35 | < Zed> | Anxiety issues would make it similar for me, frankly |
| 02:35 | < Tarinaky> | Plus, if I go for a CS course it'd be nice if I had a box I could actually run stuff on. |
| 02:35 | < Tarinaky> | >.> |
| 02:35 | < Zed> | Friday comes around, I've had four days with 12-hour shifts and three social engagements, I want to shoot something. |
| 02:36 | < Zed> | I wish tablet PCs didn't suck so much |
| 02:36 | < Tarinaky> | Part of why I need the netbook - I ended up excluded out of the programming related extracurricular stuff on my last course because I didn't have anything I could bring with me to code on. |
| 02:36 | < Zed> | I'd love to get one just so that I could have a portable computer with a full-size keyboard. |
| 02:36 | < Namegduf> | Wow, really? They don't have their own facilities? |
| 02:36 | < Zed> | At that point, you might want to consider a full-size laptop |
| 02:37 | < Tarinaky> | Zed: Too heavy. |
| 02:37 | < Zed> | mm. Perks of being a chubby giant, spose. :) |
| 02:37 | < Zed> | though it also means I really hate minikeyboards |
| 02:38 | < Tarinaky> | I dunno if there's a way I can use a netbook just as a screen and keyboard to a 'real' computer though. |
| 02:38 | < Namegduf> | I'm okay with a 9" netbook. |
| 02:38 | < Tarinaky> | Which -might- be an option. |
| 02:38 | < Namegduf> | Would hate a 7". |
| 02:38 | < Zed> | err |
| 02:38 | < Zed> | I don't know why you'd want to DO that, is the thing |
| 02:38 | < Tarinaky> | It'd be better if I could just figure out a way to store a monitor and keyboard :/ |
| 02:38 | < Zed> | netbook screens/keyboard are godawful terrible for serious projects |
| 02:39 | < Tarinaky> | Like I said - it's a bastard not having a desktop you can work at. |
| 02:39 | < Tarinaky> | desktop as in physical/wood thing. |
| 02:39 | < Namegduf> | You're not going to have one? |
| 02:39 | < Tarinaky> | Namegduf: Not if I have to have a Monitor and keyboard taking up all of it. |
| 02:39 | < Zed> | I honestly have considered an ipad, just so that I can pick between screen I plug a USB keyboard into and Star Trek consumer electronics knockoff |
| 02:39 | < Namegduf> | That's small. |
| 02:40 | < Tarinaky> | Namegduf: Yes. Yes it is. If I pushed the semi-upright against the monitor I ended up with enough space for an A5 piece of paper. |
| 02:40 | < Zed> | I'm probably the only person in the world who wants a laptop that comes with neither touchscreen, touchpad, integrated keyboard, or internal speakers |
| 02:41 | < Tarinaky> | *the kyboard semi-upright. |
| 02:41 | < Zed> | Tar: I actually do have a suggestion for that |
| 02:41 | < Zed> | and it's NOT a keyboard drawer |
| 02:41 | < Namegduf> | Zed: Have you considered a 17"? |
| 02:41 | < Tarinaky> | Zed: Do share. |
| 02:41 | < Zed> | Owned one, it was close to good enough |
| 02:41 | < Namegduf> | This laptop has a full-size keyboard, including numpad. |
| 02:41 | < Zed> | Keyboard ... err, what's the word |
| 02:41 | < Namegduf> | (Not my netbook, my other one) |
| 02:42 | < Zed> | like a basket on the side of the desk |
| 02:42 | < Zed> | stores it vertically, like a magazine rack |
| 02:42 | < Tarinaky> | I'm limited in that the furniture provided is whatever the Uni lets you have :/ |
| 02:42 | < Zed> | you can get these that attach to things with the screwless sticky things. |
| 02:42 | < Zed> | what do they call those? |
| 02:42 | < Zed> | you know what I'm talking about? |
| 02:42 | < Tarinaky> | Nope. |
| 02:43 | < Zed> | The things people put on walls to hang picture frames when they don't want to put holes in the wall |
| 02:44 | < Zed> | anyways. You put a basket on something that's designed to have papers dropped in it |
| 02:44 | < Zed> | and you can get the same thing to holster a mouse |
| 02:44 | < Zed> | basically provides an easy solution to have your computer peripherals disappear when you're not using them |
| 02:44 | < Zed> | You still have your LCD on the back edge of your desk space, but you can prolly live with that |
| 02:45 | < Zed> | it's not as convenient as sitting down and pressing spacebar, but you adapt surprisingly quickly |
| 02:45 | < Zed> | hell, anymore my mouse is twitchy enough that the vibration of me sitting down usually wakes my computer up |
| 02:47 | < Zed> | Anyways, there's any number of ways to set up a place to put your keyboard, esp. if it's semi-normal |
| 02:47 | < Tarinaky> | If they didn't need batteries I'd consider a cordless mouse+keyboard so I could chuck them across the room. |
| 02:47 | < Zed> | yeah, but they're expensive and suck and need batteries. |
| 02:47 | < Tarinaky> | Exactly. |
| 02:48 | < Zed> | though honestly, a cordless mouse is nice in that it makes a ready-made away spot |
| 02:48 | < Zed> | (the charger) |
| 02:48 | < Tarinaky> | The mouse is less of an issue than the keyboard. |
| 02:48 | < Zed> | if you have the right kind of gap between a desk and wall, you can stash a keyboard. |
| 02:48 | < Zed> | like, vertically so it stays in a notch leaning. |
| 02:49 | < Zed> | rectangular keyboards are a godsend |
| 02:49 | < Zed> | I have NO IDEA why so many people have started making them with weird contoured bits on the top or bottom |
| 02:49 | < Zed> | Hmm. on the space-saving point on a keyboard? |
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| 02:50 | < Tarinaky> | The keyboard's the biggest thing. |
| 02:50 | < Zed> | http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=filco_keyboards,majestouch_104key&pid =fkbn104mnpek |
| 02:50 | < Tarinaky> | I'm also going to look into how small a case I can get. |
| 02:50 | < Zed> | No, the question mark was me leading into something |
| 02:50 | < Tarinaky> | Because that's the second biggest thing on the desk. |
| 02:51 | < Zed> | If it's vertical, you can go with an HTPC half-height case |
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| 02:51 | < Zed> | and save a ton of room. |
| 02:51 | < Zed> | I love that keyboard because it's full-size and standard layout and takes up absolutely no room past that |
| 02:51 | < Zed> | also cherry keyswitches. :) |
| 02:52 | < Tarinaky> | $134 on a keyboard is more than I'd like to spend. |
| 02:52 | < Zed> | -grins- yeah, I know |
| 02:52 | < Zed> | just saying. |
| 02:52 | < Zed> | what's the nicest keyboard you've ever used? |
| 02:53 | < Zed> | Seems to me like spending a bit of money on the input peripheral you spend more time using than anything else in college is worth it |
| 02:54 | < Zed> | but seriously, if you've never used a modern clicky keyboard, you'd be amazed at the difference |
| 02:54 | < Tarinaky> | My favourite keyboards are the ones that were being chucked out of a school. |
| 02:54 | < Zed> | IBM Model M? |
| 02:54 | < Tarinaky> | No. |
| 02:54 | < Tarinaky> | My next door neighbour buys those off ebay. |
| 02:54 | < Zed> | the dell at101w? |
| 02:55 | < Tarinaky> | Dunno. Just cheapo-crappy office keyboard. |
| 02:55 | < Zed> | -nods- |
| 02:55 | < Zed> | Some of them can be pretty satisfying. |
| 02:55 | < Zed> | the 25$ keytronix one isn't bad |
| 02:55 | < Tarinaky> | I've got plenty of spare ones that work fine. |
| 02:55 | < Tarinaky> | And cost nothing :p |
| 02:56 | < Tarinaky> | I was going to keep the same monitor, keyboard and mouse as my last College setup. |
| 02:56 | < Tarinaky> | Just get a rig that doesn't go into meltdown when the processor goes out of idle >.> |
| 03:00 | < Tarinaky> | What does HTPC stand for? |
| 03:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | Home Theatre PC. |
| 03:01 | < Tarinaky> | Ahah. |
| 03:04 | < Tarinaky> | Now I just need to find work so I can actually afford stuff >.> |
| 03:04 | | * Zed shrugs |
| 03:04 | < Zed> | also, one more thing to keep in mind about tiny-tiny cases? |
| 03:04 | < Zed> | Heat's a bitch. |
| 03:05 | < Zed> | the nicer a computer you put it in it, the more unhappy it is. |
| 03:05 | < Tarinaky> | Zed: I like the look of a Thin Tower. |
| 03:05 | < Tarinaky> | Which shouldn't be -too- bad for heat. |
| 03:05 | < Zed> | is that a brand? |
| 03:05 | < Tarinaky> | No. |
| 03:06 | < Zed> | Just, half-height vertical? |
| 03:06 | < Zed> | err |
| 03:06 | < Zed> | half-width |
| 03:06 | < Zed> | you know what I mean |
| 03:06 | < Tarinaky> | http://www.sysopt.com/features/cases/article.php/12024_3611871_10 |
| 03:07 | < Zed> | err |
| 03:07 | < Zed> | that's actually a larger desk footprint than a lot of normal cases |
| 03:07 | < Tarinaky> | From what I've read it sounds like the HTPC cases wouldn't really offer much of a bene in terms of free desktop space :/ |
| 03:07 | < Zed> | HTPC cases offer a huge benefit if you run them on their side. :P |
| 03:08 | < Tarinaky> | Zed: Optical drives. |
| 03:08 | < Zed> | And? |
| 03:08 | < Zed> | Modern optical drives are fine that way. |
| 03:08 | < Tarinaky> | It'd still make my skin crawl. |
| 03:08 | < Tarinaky> | Plus the heat thing. |
| 03:08 | < Zed> | 19$ sony opti-arc handles it just fine. |
| 03:09 | < Zed> | -shrugs- well, just keep in mind the bottom is as large as a 5 1/4" drive, plus whatever is on the sides |
| 03:09 | < Zed> | aka, those feet are bigger than a normal-sized case. |
| 03:09 | < Tarinaky> | I wasn't looking at that particular case. |
| 03:09 | < Zed> | err. What's thin about it, tho? |
| 03:09 | < Tarinaky> | Dunno. They don't give dimensions on that site. |
| 03:10 | < Tarinaky> | But I'm not going to get a case thinner than a 5 1/4" drive anyway >.> |
| 03:10 | < Zed> | Unless you get one that puts the drive on its side, no |
| 03:10 | < Zed> | Just pretend it's a Wii. :P |
| 03:11 | < Tarinaky> | True. |
| 03:11 | < Tarinaky> | But yeah. |
| 03:11 | < Tarinaky> | I'm probably going to be screwed to get a graphics card for it though. |
| 03:12 | < Zed> | eh, there's a few half-height cards out there that are just fine |
| 03:12 | < Zed> | esp. if you're going budget anyways |
| 03:12 | < Namegduf> | Can't put the physical case under the desk? |
| 03:12 | < Tarinaky> | Namegduf: Not in my experience. |
| 03:12 | < Namegduf> | Wow. |
| 03:13 | < Tarinaky> | Namegduf: Tends not to be enough space under the desk for a computer and my legs. |
| 03:13 | < Tarinaky> | >.> |
| 03:13 | < Namegduf> | How about to the side of the desk? |
| 03:13 | < Namegduf> | If you can safely extend display cables, inside a wardrobe might not be unreasonable. |
| 03:14 | < Tarinaky> | Namegduf: Thought about that. Couldn't figure a way to put it inside the wardrobe. |
| 03:14 | < Tarinaky> | And there wasn't enough space to put it down the side of the desk. |
| 03:15 | < Namegduf> | That sounds cramped. |
| 03:15 | < Tarinaky> | Yes. It was. |
| 03:15 | < Tarinaky> | I spent two years living in coffins - what of it? |
| 03:15 | < Namegduf> | Hmm. |
| 03:15 | < Namegduf> | How about a desktop replacement type laptop? |
| 03:16 | < Tarinaky> | Namegduf: Considered it. Has the problem that they're -really- expensive. |
| 03:16 | < Namegduf> | Yeah. |
| 03:16 | < Namegduf> | This one was a grand or so. |
| 03:16 | < Tarinaky> | Which is more than I spent on my current rig. |
| 03:17 | < Tarinaky> | And both are probably to about the same spec~ |
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| 03:19 | < Tarinaky> | Looking at these it seems like I'm not going to be able to find one with enough drive bay space. |
| 03:20 | < Tarinaky> | Although... actually. |
| 03:20 | < Namegduf> | Oh, hmm. Keyboard-related. |
| 03:20 | < Namegduf> | I have a key whose cap's clips have become worn, so it no longer is held on well. |
| 03:20 | < Namegduf> | What is my best option? |
| 03:20 | < Namegduf> | I was considering trying to glue it on. |
| 03:21 | < Tarinaky> | A harddisk would fit in a flopp drive cage right? |
| 03:21 | < Tarinaky> | *floppy drive cage |
| 03:21 | < Namegduf> | I think a 2.5" will, but wait until you get a proper answer. |
| 03:22 | < Tarinaky> | 1 x 5.25" external, 1 x 3.5"external, 1 x 3.5"internal - So 1 optical drive and two harddisks. |
| 03:22 | < Namegduf> | Hmm. |
| 03:22 | < Namegduf> | Maybe a 3.5" will. |
| 03:22 | < Alek> | actually, a 3.5 should fit in a floppy bay. since they're the same size. -_- |
| 03:23 | < Namegduf> | Yeah, that's what I thought when he reminded me of the size of a floppy bay. |
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| 03:25 | < Tarinaky> | Plan could have legs then. |
| 03:27 | < Tarinaky> | What's a 'stealth door'? |
| 03:28 | < Namegduf> | I dunno, but I want one. |
| 03:29 | < Tarinaky> | Oh. I think I know what it is. |
| 03:29 | < Tarinaky> | A cover to make it 'disappear' from sight. |
| 03:30 | < Tarinaky> | Dimensions 400mm(L) x 104mm(H) x 325mm(W) |
| 03:30 | < Tarinaky> | I suspect this one is a bastard to buy graphics cards for xD |
| 03:34 | < Tarinaky> | How do you make sure the optical media stays in the drive if you mount it sideways though? |
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| 03:55 | < Alek> | snug shelving, but otherwise nothing. |
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| 05:10 | < Zed> | Nameg, you still here? |
| 05:16 | < Namegduf> | Back now. |
| 05:18 | < Zed> | anyways |
| 05:18 | < Zed> | What kind of laptop is it? |
| 05:19 | < Namegduf> | Toshiba X200. |
| 05:19 | < Namegduf> | Satellite X200. |
| 05:19 | < Zed> | Is a replacement keyboard more than you want to spend? |
| 05:19 | < Namegduf> | 17.1", very large built in speakers, quite thick. |
| 05:19 | < Namegduf> | It's an option. I managed to figure out a solution for now, though. |
| 05:20 | < Namegduf> | I figured out that the upper clips on the key cap had bent closer and closer to straight, so each time it was gripping worse and worse and falling off more. |
| 05:20 | < Namegduf> | So I bent them back. |
| 05:20 | < Namegduf> | It seems okay right now, I'll just have to see if it stays that way. |
| 05:20 | < Zed> | :) |
| 05:20 | < Zed> | OK. Just saying, if you price search, sometimes the keyboard can run as low as 30$. |
| 05:21 | < Zed> | But, yeah, I've had to fix them |
| 05:22 | < Zed> | Bending the clips works, but once I broke the clip doing that and had to use a piece of paper clip and superglue |
| 05:22 | < Zed> | which lasted two months |
| 05:22 | < Namegduf> | I had to replace one once before, because it was dying. |
| 05:22 | < Zed> | then I bought a new keyboard. |
| 05:22 | < Namegduf> | Yeah. I'm a bit hopeful it'll hold because nothing was wrong before I bent it the first time taking the key cap off. |
| 05:22 | < Namegduf> | That was an annoying day. |
| 05:22 | < Zed> | heh. :) |
| 05:23 | < Namegduf> | It turned out the program in question was just ignoring the 'r' key for some reason. |
| 05:23 | < Zed> | ... heh. |
| 05:23 | < Namegduf> | While I thought something was stuck under it, because, well, this keyboard has seen a good bit of abuse... so I took the cap off. |
| 05:26 | < Zed> | http://cgi.ebay.com/Dell-AT101W-AT-101W-Keyboard-Nice_W0QQitemZ350297925890QQcat egoryZ33963QQcmdZViewItem#vi-content <- what tarinaky needs. :) |
| 05:27 | < Namegduf> | I almost wish I had a desktop to buy one of these: http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/customizer.html |
| 05:28 | < Zed> | I don't even need to click that link to know what it is |
| 05:28 | < Zed> | I have that bookmarked |
| 05:29 | < Zed> | It's the official Unicomp store page for the modern layout version of the IBM Model M which they retained the copyright to. |
| 05:29 | < Zed> | Want to see similar keyboards that are a bit pricier? |
| 05:29 | < Zed> | :) |
| 05:31 | < Namegduf> | Hehe. Okay. |
| 05:31 | < Zed> | http://www.deckkeyboards.com/product_info.php?products_id=96 |
| 05:32 | < Zed> | I never thought I'd be interested in an illuminated keyboard. |
| 05:32 | < Zed> | like, ever. |
| 05:32 | < Namegduf> | I wouldn't mind one. |
| 05:32 | < Zed> | But it's the cherry blue MX keyswitches |
| 05:32 | < Namegduf> | But it'd need to be on my netbook... so kinda useless. |
| 05:33 | < Zed> | :) |
| 05:33 | < Namegduf> | IRCing while watching a movie means I can't dim the lights all the way, because I can only half touchtype on the netbook. |
| 05:33 | < Zed> | Heh. |
| 05:33 | < Namegduf> | Partly because I usually have it at an odd angle. |
| 05:33 | < Zed> | illuminated keyboard ftw? weird. |
| 05:34 | < Zed> | you need a thing of glow-in-the-dark paint and clearcoat. :P |
| 05:34 | < Namegduf> | Haha. |
| 05:34 | < Zed> | Seriously, if you're ever planning on replacing the keyboard? |
| 05:34 | < Zed> | you need to do that first. |
| 05:34 | < Namegduf> | What do you think about the Optimus Maximus, aside it being ridiculously expensive? |
| 05:35 | < Zed> | -shrugs- you know, I've never actually touched one or been able to find out wtf it uses for keyswitches |
| 05:36 | < Namegduf> | Yeah, me neither. |
| 05:36 | < Namegduf> | I know someone who bought one, because they're insane and use nano as a text editor. |
| 05:36 | < Zed> | Mori-neko has a phone by Samsung with e-ink on the keypad |
| 05:36 | < Namegduf> | So it lets them have macros. |
| 05:36 | < Zed> | you turn it one way, it's a number pad with a bunch of function keys |
| 05:36 | < Zed> | you open it the other, and it's a squarified qwerty |
| 05:37 | < Namegduf> | Interesting. |
| 05:37 | < Zed> | so it has actual buttons with buttony feeling feedback while still keeping the benefit of a touchscreen, you know, software modifiable buttons |
| 05:37 | < Zed> | err, button display |
| 05:37 | < Zed> | a really neat idea. |
| 05:37 | < Namegduf> | Kinda, yeah. |
| 05:38 | < Zed> | http://gizmodo.com/5251232/samsung-alias-2-e+ink-flip-phone-review |
| 05:38 | < Namegduf> | I tend to think of phone keyboards as "too small to be worth bothering with" |
| 05:38 | < Zed> | -shrugs- I'm pretty comfy with 10 key texting, myself. |
| 05:38 | < Zed> | but the page shows how it works really clearly |
| 05:38 | < Zed> | fascinating idea. |
| 05:39 | < Zed> | same as the Optimus, except the optimus is OLED |
| 05:39 | < Zed> | btw, about that |
| 05:39 | < Zed> | design limitation of OLEDs right now |
| 05:39 | < Namegduf> | Well, if I'm going to do IM stuff, I want it to actually be convenient to quickly write out and send a message, as in a significant fraction of a normal keyboard's speed. |
| 05:39 | < Zed> | not talking about logging into an IM client from a phone |
| 05:39 | < Zed> | SMS texting is pretty necessary these days |
| 05:40 | < Zed> | esp. since it gets there more reliably than phone reception |
| 05:40 | < Namegduf> | Heh, not so. |
| 05:40 | < Namegduf> | SMS texts do not have reliable delivery. |
| 05:40 | < Zed> | -shrugs- Phone reception is less reliable than that. :P |
| 05:40 | < Namegduf> | Yeah, but you know when you've gotten through or not. |
| 05:40 | < Namegduf> | I've seen texts show up the next day- or not at all. |
| 05:40 | < Zed> | I mean, voicemail is sure-r, but if the person already knows they have a voicemail, they won't necessarily check it if you leave a voicemail while they're out of service |
| 05:40 | < Namegduf> | From friends' phones, anyway. I don't use texts much. |
| 05:41 | < Namegduf> | I actually prefer to use Skype, since it's the big gimmick of my phone, really. |
| 05:41 | < Zed> | texts are good for meeting up. |
| 05:41 | < Zed> | busy environment, etc., airports and whatnot? |
| 05:41 | < Zed> | texts are amazingly efficient. |
| 05:41 | < Namegduf> | Skype has IM, as well as VoIP. |
| 05:41 | | * Zed nods |
| 05:42 | < Zed> | but that relies on your target having that |
| 05:42 | < Zed> | IM, that is |
| 05:42 | < Zed> | just saying, not so great for must-have messages? |
| 05:42 | < Zed> | but when you need to convey information so you can find someone in a busy place |
| 05:42 | < Zed> | texts are great. |
| 05:42 | < Namegduf> | That's true, but I prefer to send must-have messages by something that's guaranteed to arrive. |
| 05:42 | < Zed> | -nods- |
| 05:42 | < Zed> | At that point I use voicemails. |
| 05:43 | < Zed> | or e-mail, if their phone supports it |
| 05:43 | < Namegduf> | I'd call until I get through- I've never had reception troubles that bad. |
| 05:43 | < Zed> | PDX and LAX have spotty reception |
| 05:43 | < Namegduf> | I'd do email, too, but my phone doesn't support that, let alone theirs, unless I pay a bunch extra. |
| 05:43 | < Zed> | YOU can move into a place with reception, but if your contact is sitting in a dead spot, does you no good |
| 05:44 | | * Namegduf is cheap; he has a stupid phone that gets a PAYG topup of about ?5 a month. |
| 05:44 | < Zed> | :) |
| 05:44 | < Namegduf> | *stupidphone, as opposed to smartphone |
| 05:44 | < Zed> | I get it. :) |
| 05:44 | < Zed> | dumbphone |
| 05:44 | < Namegduf> | Yeah. |
| 05:44 | < Zed> | like dumb terminal. |
| 05:45 | < Zed> | anyways |
| 05:45 | < Zed> | another keyboard I've been looking at |
| 05:45 | < Zed> | did you see the one he said he'd rather not spend that much on? |
| 05:45 | < Zed> | That's the one that's been really catching my eye lately |
| 05:45 | < Zed> | the majestouch "Otaku" 104-key NKRO model |
| 05:46 | < Zed> | It's a blank-faced keyboard with a completely standard button layout using the Cherry MX blue keyswitches, n-key rollover, and a formfactor that ends almost exactly at the edge of the key layout |
| 05:46 | < Zed> | also rectangular |
| 05:47 | < Namegduf> | Nice. |
| 05:47 | < Zed> | (which I know I harp on, but when you're trying to do something nonstandard with your keyboard, like laps, regular edges HELP) |
| 05:47 | < Zed> | also when you are leaning it one way or another |
| 05:48 | < Zed> | http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=filco_keyboards,majestouch_104key&pid =fkbn104mcnpek_special |
| 05:48 | < Namegduf> | I don't like odd edges. |
| 05:48 | < Zed> | that's actually the thing that made me 100% sure I'd never drop the money on a Das Keyboard III |
| 05:48 | < Namegduf> | They tend to waste... oh, that does look nice. |
| 05:48 | < Zed> | was the weird geometry on the top |
| 05:48 | < Zed> | Das Keyboard II was about perfect |
| 05:49 | < Zed> | unfortunately, they stopped making them |
| 05:49 | < Zed> | http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/xoxide/das-keyboard-ii-2.jpg |
| 05:49 | < Zed> | Good price, too |
| 05:50 | < Zed> | 75$ was a lot more reasonable |
| 05:50 | < Zed> | now, this one's an odd duck |
| 05:50 | < Zed> | I both think it's a great deal and issuey |
| 05:50 | < Namegduf> | Ah. |
| 05:51 | < Zed> | http://www.buy.com/prod/ione-scorpius-m10-mechanical-keyboard-ps-2-usb/q/listing id/78662861/loc/101/209975099.html |
| 05:51 | < Zed> | err, this one is the stinker |
| 05:51 | < Zed> | not the Das II |
| 05:51 | < Zed> | It's... |
| 05:51 | < Zed> | great, as long as it doesn't fall apart where it's soldered to the PCB. |
| 05:51 | < Zed> | I mean, you CAN fix it, if that ever happens |
| 05:52 | < Zed> | But it'd be great to not buy a keyboard that's known for falling apart on some people |
| 05:52 | < Zed> | of course, it's the cheapest I've ever seen a keyboard that used the blue Cherry MX switches |
| 05:52 | < Zed> | 50$ new places |
| 05:52 | < Namegduf> | Ah. |
| 05:52 | < Zed> | I prefer the Cherry switches to the Alps or the IBM buckling spring, but they're all pretty nice |
| 05:53 | < Zed> | the IBM switches are pretty great, tho - see the Unicomp Customizer you linked me at |
| 05:53 | < Zed> | also, those keyboards are bulletproof |
| 05:53 | < Namegduf> | Yeah, I know. |
| 05:53 | < Zed> | I have a Model M behind me that literally has bloodstains on it |
| 05:53 | < Namegduf> | XD |
| 05:53 | < Zed> | If the R key didn't type RT for no reason I can tell, and the backspace type the date, I'd still be using it |
| 05:54 | < Namegduf> | Backspace types the date? |
| 05:54 | < Zed> | Yes. |
| 05:54 | < Zed> | I didn't know it was in the spec either. |
| 05:54 | < Namegduf> | Yeah, me neither. |
| 05:54 | < Zed> | Apparently there's a scancode for the date. |
| 05:54 | < Namegduf> | Wow. |
| 05:54 | < Zed> | (and now we've had that conversation in BCA format instead of ABC) |
| 05:55 | < Zed> | anyways. |
| 05:55 | < Zed> | isn't that just the weirdest damn thing? |
| 05:55 | < Zed> | It's definitely the keyboard, too |
| 05:55 | < Zed> | strangest thing. |
| 05:55 | < Namegduf> | Yeah. |
| 05:56 | < Zed> | I sent a close friend my AT101w and now I'm stuck using this HORRIBLE Cherry brand dome membrane thingie keyboard |
| 05:56 | < Zed> | and my hands are going numb |
| 05:56 | < Zed> | So I'm shopping for a new keyboard |
| 05:57 | < Zed> | Mori kinda broke my first Das then appropriated the replacement she bought me |
| 05:57 | < Zed> | (the Cherry keyswitches are much less resistant to being stepped on. Good to know!) |
| 05:57 | < Namegduf> | XD |
| 05:57 | < Namegduf> | You know what is hard? Getting a laptop with a decent built-in keyboard. |
| 05:57 | < Namegduf> | Some are just terrible. |
| 05:57 | < Zed> | Mind you, we're talking slipping off a loveseat feet-first, a 250 pound woman, so |
| 05:58 | < Zed> | the two of us are not small people |
| 05:58 | < Zed> | but still |
| 05:58 | < Namegduf> | XD |
| 05:58 | < Zed> | the Model M would have taken that like a champ |
| 05:58 | < Namegduf> | Yeah. |
| 05:58 | < Zed> | I know about the laptop thing, yeah |
| 05:58 | < Zed> | I have a luggable 386 I keep because it has an orange plasma display and a clicky keyboard. |
| 05:58 | < Namegduf> | Wow. |
| 05:58 | < Zed> | uses alps keyswitches. :P |
| 05:58 | < Zed> | UNFORTUNATELY |
| 05:59 | < Zed> | the floppy drive seems to be broken |
| 05:59 | < Zed> | and finding a replacement MFM floppy drive? |
| 05:59 | < Zed> | HARD. |
| 05:59 | < Namegduf> | Yeah, I'll bet. |
| 05:59 | < Namegduf> | Can't use a CD drive? |
| 05:59 | < Zed> | So its use as a superior word processing terminal is kinda limited. |
| 05:59 | < Zed> | I might be able to get a .sys for ... heyyyy. |
| 05:59 | < Zed> | that's an idea. |
| 05:59 | < Zed> | hmm. |
| 06:00 | < Zed> | Wonder if dos 3.3 or 5.0 or whatever its running supports mscdex .sys files |
| 06:00 | < Zed> | of course |
| 06:00 | < Zed> | nevermind |
| 06:00 | < Zed> | how would I get the file on there? |
| 06:00 | < Zed> | chicken and the egg. |
| 06:00 | < Zed> | MFM hard drive, too. Actually prolly more feasible, but. |
| 06:01 | < Zed> | AWFULLY long run to try using a CD drive on a SB16. :P |
| 06:01 | < Zed> | I actually... hmm. |
| 06:01 | < Zed> | you know, I just remembered something. |
| 06:01 | < Namegduf> | Oh? |
| 06:01 | < Zed> | You ever do a serial install of Laplink? |
| 06:01 | < Namegduf> | "no". |
| 06:02 | < Zed> | OK, so Laplink was a piece of software for doing file transfers over serial |
| 06:02 | < Zed> | or parallel, for that matter |
| 06:02 | < Namegduf> | I think I'm familiar, but it was before the time I was doing that job. |
| 06:02 | < Namegduf> | Yeah. |
| 06:02 | < Zed> | There was a REALLY cool feature where you could set up two machines |
| 06:02 | < Zed> | connected with the serial cable |
| 06:02 | < Zed> | run it on one of them |
| 06:03 | < Zed> | and it would give you instructions on what to type on the other machine to copy data coming over the serial cable to a file |
| 06:03 | < Zed> | and send the installation over the cable. |
| 06:03 | < Zed> | BRILLIANT. |
| 06:03 | < Zed> | Like, very few hacks are nearly that interesting |
| 06:03 | < Namegduf> | That's clever. |
| 06:03 | < Namegduf> | Yeah. |
| 06:03 | < Zed> | :) |
| 06:04 | < Zed> | THAT's how I'll set it up, just need to lay hands on a working dos computer and a copy of laplink and a serial cable |
| 06:04 | < Zed> | WOOT |
| 06:04 | < Zed> | :) |
| 06:04 | < Zed> | I'm excited suddenly |
| 06:04 | < Zed> | anyways. |
| 06:04 | < Zed> | As it is, it has Wolfenstein 3d |
| 06:04 | < Zed> | and it's really fun to bust over to the community college sitting there playing games older than they are on a computer older than they are wearing headphones older than they are. |
| 06:04 | < Namegduf> | Haha. |
| 06:05 | < Zed> | (I have a pair of Koss Pro 4AA's I wear for the purpose) |
| 06:05 | < Zed> | lemme link. |
| 06:05 | < Namegduf> | I used to play Doom and NetHack in college. |
| 06:05 | < Zed> | you'll understand when you see them. |
| 06:05 | < Namegduf> | I'm amazed they've lasted that long. |
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| 06:06 | < Zed> | http://picsdigger.com/image/584ed092/ |
| 06:06 | < Zed> | The headphones? |
| 06:06 | < Zed> | Jesus, they're tougher than the Model M. |
| 06:06 | < Namegduf> | Wow. |
| 06:06 | < Namegduf> | Even the cable and connector? |
| 06:06 | < Zed> | ehhhh. I've had to solderfix the cable. :P |
| 06:06 | < Namegduf> | Ah. |
| 06:06 | < Zed> | But it's still original. :) |
| 06:06 | < Zed> | they're built to be repaired, on the bright side |
| 06:07 | < Zed> | like, they screw open etc. |
| 06:07 | < Zed> | Something lots of stuff is NOT today. :P |
| 06:07 | < Zed> | I've had them get landed on in bicycle crashes and be fine. |
| 06:07 | < Zed> | (although REALLY PAINFUL) |
| 06:08 | < Zed> | I actually own two pairs. :P |
| 06:08 | < Zed> | They're neat, because they're from a company that still will sell you parts, and built to be fixed |
| 06:08 | < Zed> | and quite comparable to lots of stuff coming out now |
| 06:08 | < Zed> | they sound better than the 130$ skullcandies |
| 06:08 | < Zed> | which is kind of like saying "Tastier than a shit sandwich" |
| 06:08 | < Zed> | but whatever. |
| 06:10 | < Zed> | anyways. Have I ever mentioned I get kinda excited about old tech? :P |
| 06:11 | < Namegduf> | XD |
| 06:19 | < Zed> | btw, luggable's a toshiba 5200/100 |
| 06:20 | < Zed> | full EISA support is kinda neat. |
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