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| 14:51 | | * AnnoDomini tries to install freeciv from repository. |
| 14:52 | <@AnnoDomini> | It completed correctly, but now I can't figure out how to run the game. |
| 14:52 | <@AnnoDomini> | I've tried "freeciv" and "freeciv-client" from command line, and it doesn't seem to be in any of the menus. |
| 14:52 | <@AnnoDomini> | There isn't even a man entry. |
| 14:58 | <@AnnoDomini> | ... |
| 14:59 | <@AnnoDomini> | The command is 'civ'. |
| 14:59 | <@AnnoDomini> | WHY THE FUCK COULDN'T IT HAVE BEEN 'freeciv'?! |
| 14:59 | <@AnnoDomini> | That's what the game's name is! |
| 14:59 | <@AnnoDomini> | That's what how package is named! |
| 15:03 | < celticminstrel> | I agree. |
| 15:14 | <@AnnoDomini> | The SDL interface looks nice. |
| 15:14 | <@AnnoDomini> | I'll have to see about learning how to use it. |
| 15:33 | | * Vornicus-Latens finds himself fiddling with data layout for a logic puzzle. |
| 15:41 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | Clearly at teh beginning you've got something like a big table with all the possibilities included - each "cell" in the table contains all the possible entries in that cell. |
| 15:43 | <@AnnoDomini> | Like a Sudoku? |
| 15:43 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | Like that, yes. |
| 15:43 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | And then you've got clues, which allow you to reduce the possibilities. |
| 15:45 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | Ad then you also have rules - Sudoku's "Each number can only appear once in each column/row/macrocell" |
| 15:47 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | Since this is a computer, it can automate applying rules and even certain clues. |
| 15:48 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | Well, even the clues, in certain situations. |
| 15:49 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | "The dog owner lives in a yellow house" -- if we know who lives in the yellow house, it's immediately obvious that he also owns the dog. |
| 15:53 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | I need to be able to tell, given a clue, whether the clue can be made automatically true in the current table. |
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| 15:56 | <@Vornicus> | (either because it already is, or because I can remove certain possibilities as always failing the clue) |
| 16:52 | <@Vornicus> | Okay. Each clue, when asked to give deductions, gives "true" deductions - Bill owns the yellow house, so he must own the dog - and "false" ones - Jim owns the cat, so he must not live in the yellow house. |
| 16:53 | <@Vornicus> | And also whether the deductions given make the clue automatically true after the deductions are used. |
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| 18:05 | <@Vornicus> | It is tricky to write the deduction functions though. |
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| 20:25 | < ijerith> | So, I started learning SmallTalk over the weekend. |
| 20:25 | <@Vornicus> | Yes? |
| 20:28 | < ijerith> | Interesting. |
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| 20:29 | < gnolam> | Interesting, but not very useful (anymore). :) |
| 20:29 | < gnolam> | But it has a lot of neat concepts... |
| 20:31 | < ijerith> | A lot of what I hate about Ruby apparently comes from SmallTalk. |
| 20:32 | < ijerith> | But it actually makes sense there. |
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| 20:54 | < gnolam> | A lot of everything comes from SmallTalk. |
| 21:07 | <@McMartin> | Pretty much. |
| 21:08 | <@McMartin> | I'd say the relevant part is "every OO system in current use that didn't go through C++ somehow is ultimately descended from Smalltalk". |
| 21:08 | <@McMartin> | And Simula, the ultimate root for C++, is boring, so~ |
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