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| 01:25 | < Alek> | so uh. |
| 01:26 | < Alek> | anyone have any experience with Windows 7 and a window flickering / focus loss / window reload issue? |
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| 02:04 | | * celticminstrel finally gets through the Steam Subscriber Agreement. |
| 02:05 | < celticminstrel> | ...what's this clause about terrorists doing in here? |
| 02:05 | < celticminstrel> | "You agree not to export the Steam Software or allow use of your Account by individuals of any terrorist supporting countries to which encryption exports are at the time of exportation restricted by the Bureau of Export Administration. You represent and warrant that you are not located in, under the control of, or a national or resident of any such prohibited country." (emphasis mine) |
| 02:06 | <@Vornicus> | Has to be in there. |
| 02:06 | < celticminstrel> | Is there any reason not to use the password I use nearly everywhere else? |
| 02:06 | < celticminstrel> | And why does it have to be there? |
| 02:07 | <@Vornicus> | Steam includes encryption software -- for the credit card stuff, for one thing -- and that means it's not allowed to be sent anywhere that the state department doesn't want to get sent strong crypto. |
| 02:08 | < celticminstrel> | Ah. I think I see. So, about the password question? |
| 02:08 | <@Vornicus> | As far as the password itself goes, I use a somewhat more secure one because it touches my moneys. |
| 02:08 | < celticminstrel> | Good point, I guess. Paypal and my bank account are two of the places I don't use my regular password. |
| 02:13 | <@McMartin> | Yeah, Steam password should be treated as financial. |
| 02:13 | <@McMartin> | Some games have online components with separate accounts (Audiosurf, for one) - those can be whatever. |
| 02:15 | <@McMartin> | Also, I'm hearing consistent reports of downloads being randomly suspended or not registering as actually complete |
| 02:15 | <@McMartin> | I'm pretty sure that has more to do with the freight train full of anvils, etc. |
| 02:16 | <@Vornicus> | I thought it was plural trains. |
| 02:18 | < celticminstrel> | (It didn't really take me 3 hours to read the agreement, by the way; I was distracted by a discussion of impossible physics.) |
| 02:28 | < celticminstrel> | ...Steam shows me my password in plaintext. :| |
| 02:28 | < celticminstrel> | After completing registration. |
| 02:29 | <@McMartin> | Ugh. |
| 02:29 | <@McMartin> | That should be reported too =P |
| 02:29 | < celticminstrel> | Firefox does too, but only if you specifically ask it too! |
| 02:30 | < celticminstrel> | ...okay, so now in Steam's web browser I've navigated to the exact same site I downloaded Steam from... do I now get Portal from the link that formerly gave me Steam? :| |
| 02:31 | < celticminstrel> | That seems odd, is all. |
| 02:31 | <@McMartin> | There are special Steam:// urls. |
| 02:32 | <@McMartin> | But yeah, everything that isn't the Games tab has a rough equivalent on the Steam sites. |
| 02:32 | <@Vornicus> | celticminstrel: click "library" |
| 02:32 | < celticminstrel> | Aha. Thanks, Vorn. |
| 02:32 | <@McMartin> | Library->Games->Install |
| 02:33 | <@McMartin> | But it will stall out regularly because of the freight trains |
| 02:33 | < celticminstrel> | Actually, Portal came up as soon as I clicked "Library". It says it'll take 5.5 hours to download. |
| 02:33 | <@McMartin> | Yeah, just naming all the subtabs on the way to the button |
| 02:33 | <@Vornicus> | It'll be a bit ridiculous. Freight trains, full of anvils, coated in lead. |
| 02:33 | < celticminstrel> | ...what's the difference between "application shortcut" and "desktop shortcut"? |
| 02:34 | <@McMartin> | On Mac, I have no idea |
| 02:34 | <@Vornicus> | Application Shortcut shows up in /Applications |
| 02:34 | <@McMartin> | On Windows... |
| 02:34 | <@McMartin> | Ah, yes. |
| 02:34 | <@McMartin> | That would be equivalent |
| 02:34 | <@Vornicus> | Desktop shortcut shows up in ~/Desktop |
| 02:34 | <@McMartin> | I tend to de-check both, and just operate entirely through the Library->Games tab |
| 02:34 | < celticminstrel> | So, application shortcut would actually create an bundle launcher? |
| 02:34 | < celticminstrel> | ^a bundle launcher |
| 02:35 | < celticminstrel> | ^bundled |
| 02:35 | <@Vornicus> | yah |
| 02:36 | < celticminstrel> | I see what you mean by stalling. |
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| 02:46 | <@McMartin> | I'm just going to set it up to go while I sleep tonight |
| 02:46 | <@McMartin> | I'd do it while I could babysit but instead I would rather spend that time actually playing Civ IV. |
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| 06:40 | | * Derakon fixes a bug causing newly-added map tiles to be phantasmal. |
| 06:40 | <@Derakon> | This is the kind of problem that you get when you're doing map editing by cloning existing blocks, and you cache positional information in more than one place. |
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| 17:33 | < celticminstrel> | Is it bad that my laptop apparently has a better video card than my main computer? <>< |
| 17:34 | < celticminstrel> | s/<></<_< |
| 17:35 | < celticminstrel> | Fish was not the intended emoticon there. |
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| 18:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: probaby. |
| 18:40 | < celticminstrel> | Hehe. |
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| 19:15 | | * Derakon wielded Cygwin and a Linux liveCD to make a backup image of an old computer's hard drive. |
| 19:15 | <@Derakon> | Thanks for the advice, TW. |
| 19:16 | <@Derakon> | Only problem is, when I booted the computer back into Win2k (old computer, as I said), its Python install was nonfunctional. O_o |
| 19:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | o.O |
| 19:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | Cygwin environment variable breakage? Cygwin comes with its own python and I've noticed that neither it nor python are gentle with your environment. |
| 19:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | (what was the cygwin used for?) |
| 19:24 | <@Derakon> | Cygwin was used on the new computer with the 1TB drives, as a repository for the disk image. |
| 19:24 | <@Derakon> | The old computer wasn't touched software-wise except for booting onto the liveCD. |
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| 19:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 19:24 | | * Derakon listens to a biologist calling in a tech-support call because they removed the "wheel" account from one of their computers. *sigh* |
| 19:25 | < Tarinaky> | HAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 19:25 | < Tarinaky> | Derakon: I hope for everyone's sake the disk isn't encrypted. |
| 19:25 | <@Derakon> | I highly doubt it. |
| 19:25 | <@Derakon> | Anyway, for my backup issue, could this indicate a failing hard drive? |
| 19:26 | <@Derakon> | Basically, when I booted back into Win2k, the Python interp would throw an error on launch until I reinstalled. |
| 19:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | What error? |
| 19:26 | <@Derakon> | Generic Windodws "this program must shut down" type. |
| 19:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | If dd completed without error and fsck says the filesystem is consistent, I'd doubt it. |
| 19:26 | <@Derakon> | Ah, I should have run fsck. |
| 19:27 | < Tarinaky> | In my experience Hard Drives fail catastrophically rather than targetting individual files. |
| 19:27 | < Tarinaky> | Possibly a File System failure. |
| 19:27 | <@Derakon> | I've had computers with failing-but-still-kinda-working HDs before. |
| 19:27 | <@Derakon> | But it's been ages so I don't remember exactly how they behaved. |
| 19:28 | < Tarinaky> | Hard Drives tend to fail mechanically... Which means loud noises as heads impact the platter repeatedly. |
| 19:28 | <@Derakon> | In that room, you wouldn't be able to hear much. |
| 19:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | Tarinaky: only when abused. |
| 19:29 | <@Derakon> | And mechanical failures aren't necessarily noisy ones. |
| 19:29 | < Tarinaky> | Actually. Thinking about it. I have had a Hard Drive fail but still be kinda working. |
| 19:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | Drivers are merely dying of old age tend to lose a few sectors at a time, either read errors or the data just not being there; or they just go catatonic, either not visible on the bus or not responding to commands. |
| 19:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | s/Drivers/drives that/ |
| 19:29 | < Tarinaky> | But it was parts of files all over the disk. |
| 19:29 | < Tarinaky> | But that was the HDD in an mp3 player. |
| 19:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | Head crashes are in the minority. |
| 19:29 | <@Derakon> | Maybe your disk was badly fragmented. |
| 19:30 | < Tarinaky> | Said mp3 player lived in a trouser pocket. |
| 19:30 | <@Derakon> | Heh. |
| 19:30 | < Tarinaky> | Abuse was unavoidable. |
| 19:31 | < Tarinaky> | Running around, being pelted with rocks. You know. The usual school-days stuff. |
| 19:31 | | * Tarinaky isn't kidding about being pelted with rocks >.> |
| 19:31 | | * Tarinaky is going to shut up now before he starts gushing from a repressed memory coming to the fore. |
| 19:32 | < Tarinaky> | >.> <.< >.> |
| 19:34 | < Tarinaky> | Interesting fact: Flash Memory suppliers don't include data on radiation tolerance. |
| 19:35 | < Tarinaky> | *commercial suppliers |
| 19:40 | < Rhamphoryncus> | ask intel about the effects of embedding chips in radioactive plastic |
| 19:41 | < Tarinaky> | Why? |
| 19:42 | < Tarinaky> | This came up last year in the context of building a pico satalite based on a kit. |
| 19:42 | < Tarinaky> | (There's an undergrad Satalite project) |
| 19:42 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Supposedly many years back the plastic in the chips was very slightly radioactive, and when they reached a certain point in miniaturization it started affecting the behaviour of the CPUs |
| 19:42 | < Tarinaky> | Ahh. |
| 19:43 | < Tarinaky> | Lol. Must have been 'fun' fixing that problem :/ |
| 19:43 | < Alek> | lol |
| 19:44 | <@Derakon> | Intel did some pretty big research problems to find out if cosmic rays were affecting their chips. |
| 19:44 | < Rhamphoryncus> | http://codingrelic.geekhold.com/2009/09/soft-errors-are-hard-problems.html |
| 19:44 | <@Derakon> | Build a huge lead vault, as I recall. |
| 19:45 | < Rhamphoryncus> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_error#Alpha_particles_from_package_decay |
| 19:45 | < Rhamphoryncus> | It was the DRAM, not the CPU |
| 19:45 | < Tarinaky> | Yeah. I recall something about my friends annoying the Space Research Staff trying to work out how to simulate cosmic rays. |
| 19:46 | < Tarinaky> | In hindsight this was a silly question. |
| 19:47 | < Rhamphoryncus> | heh. Sun spot activity *reduces* cosmic rays |
| 19:54 | < celticminstrel> | Whee! It works! |
| 19:57 | <@Derakon> | ? |
| 19:57 | < celticminstrel> | Portal. On my laptop. |
| 19:59 | <@Derakon> | Ah, yes. |
| 19:59 | <@Derakon> | I got a decent ways in myself, last night. |
| 20:02 | < celticminstrel> | I can't run it on my Mac Pro, probably for lack of VRAM. |
| 20:04 | | * ToxicFrog knees perforce in the groin repeatedly. SYMLINKS. YOU'RE DOING THEM WRONG. |
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| 21:17 | | * Derakon introduces some of the biologists to "du -hsc ./*", thereby solving the mystery of where their disk space went. |
| 21:18 | <@Derakon> | (Answer: another biologist who is temporarily using the machine while visiting dumped 650GB of data on it) |
| 21:20 | < celticminstrel> | That's a lot of data. |
| 21:21 | <@Derakon> | Multiple cameras taking several 512x512 images every second for 30 minutes or so adds up fast. |
| 21:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | Derakon: if they have X, introduce them to 'baobab' |
| 21:24 | <@Derakon> | Ehh, introducing a GUI interface is actually more work than just leaving them with the commandline utility. |
| 21:25 | | * Derakon eyes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boab_Prison_Tree |
| 21:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | How so? They say 'baobab foo', it shows them a nice graphical breakdown of where the space is going, done. |
| 21:26 | <@Derakon> | TBQH I don't have a clue what http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Baobab_screenshot.png is telling me aside from the text on the side, which is identical to what du tells me. |
| 21:27 | <@Derakon> | I suppose being able to click through the heirarchy is nice, though. |
| 21:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | Identical except that it's sorted by space usage and you can expand treenodes to get details on the contents; du does neither. |
| 21:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | The bit on the right is a graphical representation, each ring is one level further down in the filesystem - makes it easy to go "oh, what's that huge wedge of colour, *mouse-over*, oh so that's where all those disc images went" |
| 21:49 | < Tarinaky> | http://www.goopeg.com/img/ZsXg0uHn.jpg |
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