| --- Log opened Fri Jan 08 00:00:42 2010 |
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| 01:24 | <@Vornicus-latens> | http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/A053664 <--- there's some really wacky integer sequences out ther. |
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| 01:49 | <@McMartin> | Yes |
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| 12:11 | <@AnnoDomini> | Hey, guys, I want a regexp validator to detect whether the entered text is a select-from query (basically detecting if it's "select" followed by something followed by "from" followed by something). |
| 12:12 | <@AnnoDomini> | I'm guessing "select*from*" is not quite what I need? |
| 12:28 | <@TheWatcher> | Which favour of regexp engine? |
| 12:29 | <@TheWatcher> | *flavour |
| 12:29 | <@AnnoDomini> | ASP.NET |
| 12:29 | <@TheWatcher> | No clue then, sorry |
| 12:30 | < chintimin> | How's your morning, watcher? |
| 12:30 | < chintimin> | I'd ask about AD here, but I can already see. :) |
| 12:30 | | * AnnoDomini downloads someone's solution to the problem. It's apparently, "^(S|s)(E|e)(L|l)(E|e)(C|c)(T|t)\s[0-9a-zA-Z\*]+\s(F|f)(R|r)(O|o)(M|m).*". |
| 12:31 | <@TheWatcher> | ... that is fugly |
| 12:31 | <@TheWatcher> | there's no case insensitive match flag for asp.net? :/ |
| 12:31 | | * chintimin laughs. That is pretty awful. |
| 12:32 | < chintimin> | I haven't seen anything quite that awful since I had to write a case stripper for input in Pascal |
| 12:32 | <@TheWatcher> | Also, that won't even work |
| 12:33 | <@TheWatcher> | SELECT t.foo,f.bar FROM ... etc... will not match, despite being valid |
| 12:33 | < chintimin> | besides which |
| 12:34 | <@AnnoDomini> | Well, it's good enough for a pass on this task. |
| 12:34 | < chintimin> | you can specify how... well, I guess not if it's like that |
| 12:34 | < chintimin> | hmm |
| 12:35 | < chintimin> | Can't you add punctuation that might happen in the class names to the (T|t)\s[0-9a-zA-Z\*] |
| 12:35 | < chintimin> | Watcher's complaint sounds easily fixable |
| 12:36 | < chintimin> | "Watcher" is so long |
| 12:36 | < chintimin> | can't I call you tee-dub or something? |
| 12:37 | | * chintimin ducks |
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| 12:53 | <@AnnoDomini> | I hate SQL Server. It's a shitload of fuck that doesn't work when by all rights it should. |
| 12:54 | < chintimin> | Take heart |
| 12:54 | < chintimin> | you could be fucking around with access and VBscript |
| 12:56 | <@AnnoDomini> | I'm using C# rather than VBscript, but I am also working with Access. |
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| 12:57 | <@AnnoDomini> | Access is better because it just sits there. You point the code to the file and it goes! |
| 12:57 | <@AnnoDomini> | To make an SQL Server database work, you actually have to work with the god-damned SQL Server. |
| 12:57 | < chintimin> | Point. |
| 12:58 | < chintimin> | I really started hating access back in 98 when I was trying to make something work while multiple people were using input fields |
| 12:58 | < chintimin> | haaate. |
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| 13:21 | < chintimin> | Morning. :) |
| 13:24 | <@Vornicus> | Geh. In order to ensure that it /is/ in fact a select from query you have to make sure that select and from are not in quotes. This... may be difficult! |
| 13:28 | < chintimin> | I usually have to end up writing functions to interperet strings. |
| 13:29 | <@Vornicus> | yeah, I'd actually write a tokenizer. :( |
| 13:32 | <@TheWatcher> | It'd be doable with a regexp, but it'd be a pretty damned complex one |
| 13:34 | <@Vornicus> | Yeah, you can check even/oddness of occurrences in regexp, now that I think on it. |
| 13:35 | <@Vornicus> | But you just plain don't want to do validation as a single regexp (when I write a tokenizer I'll often use a regexp to define what a single token looks like) |
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| 14:18 | < chintimin> | http://www.crayonphysics.com/ pay what you want for the game. |
| 14:21 | <@Attilla> | Now if only I could draw Tesseracts with that. |
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| 14:22 | < chintimin> | ...I haven't thought of that in years. |
| 14:22 | < chintimin> | I loved that book. |
| 14:23 | < darth_work> | What were you doing, chintimin? |
| 14:23 | | * chintimin cocks his head |
| 14:23 | < chintimin> | Was it not obvious? |
| 14:23 | < darth_work> | Weren't you banned before? |
| 14:23 | < chintimin> | I was, yeah. |
| 14:23 | < chintimin> | Ask me if I care. |
| 14:23 | < chintimin> | go on, ask me. |
| 14:23 | < darth_work> | And still are supposed to be |
| 14:23 | < darth_work> | Obviously you don't |
| 14:23 | < chintimin> | YES! That's correct. |
| 14:24 | < chintimin> | The only reason I don't sit around and stir up trouble is because I can't be bothered. :P |
| 14:24 | < chintimin> | Certainly not because of my undying respect for the administrative chain of authority in #tsc. :P |
| 14:25 | < chintimin> | And it's not like I came in and spammed hate hate hate and then left - I came in, linked a game that might be to someone's taste, then left channel. |
| 14:26 | | * darth_work waves to all the UberAdmins in this channel, points at chintimin for skirting around a ban |
| 14:26 | < chintimin> | Skirting? |
| 14:26 | < chintimin> | I didn't switch IPs or anything. |
| 14:26 | < chintimin> | or names. |
| 14:26 | < darth_work> | You know the ban was specific because we didn't want to ban someone else using teh same IP |
| 14:26 | < chintimin> | I didn't, actually. |
| 14:26 | < darth_work> | *the |
| 14:27 | < chintimin> | What's it listed under, anyways? |
| 14:27 | < chintimin> | I assumed I'd be banned if they wanted me to stay banned. |
| 14:27 | < chintimin> | Unless they're too incompetent to use IRC - which I wouldn't put past them. |
| 14:28 | < darth_work> | Or because of the recent refreshes of the server and someone neglected to re-add you to the list |
| 14:28 | < darth_work> | Which has since been corrected |
| 14:28 | < chintimin> | All right. Now then, what are YOU doing? |
| 14:29 | < chintimin> | besides following me around messagine me in channels? |
| 14:29 | < darth_work> | Trying to figure out why you randomly logged into a channel where I'm currently the only active op, pasting a link, then leaving, like a spambot |
| 14:30 | < chintimin> | You're an op in #TSC? |
| 14:30 | < darth_work> | Yes I am |
| 14:30 | < darth_work> | I've been an op for a while |
| 14:30 | < chintimin> | . /msg. works wonders. |
| 14:30 | < darth_work> | True. But conveniently, there are a bunch of UberOps in this room |
| 14:31 | < darth_work> | Two birds, one stone. |
| 14:31 | < chintimin> | Use gtalk if you want to talk to me. |
| 14:31 | | * chintimin shakes his head |
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| 14:36 | < chintimin> | oof. sorry for that. |
| 14:37 | < chintimin> | I dropped in on an old channel I used to frequent, dropped the link, and left. Apparently the ban I'd had placed on me for personality clashes with a group of regulars not being readded was quite unintentional. |
| 14:37 | < chintimin> | Has nightstar been having problems lately? |
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| 15:45 | < chintimin> | Hello, Floyd. :) |
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| 16:03 | < chintimin> | welcome back. |
| 16:11 | < chintimin> | Sweet. Now I can turn my little brother into a speaker for five bucks. |
| 16:11 | < chintimin> | i knew I was keeping him around for a reason. |
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| 21:25 | <@AnnoDomini> | http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000781.html <- Interesting. |
| 21:26 | <@AnnoDomini> | I am relieved that I can, in fact, write Fizzbuzz in under 3 minutes. :D |
| 21:33 | | * AnnoDomini reads the comments section. |
| 21:33 | <@AnnoDomini> | It's hilarious. Several people there got it WRONG. |
| 21:35 | <@jerith> | Chalain had a lot of fun overthinking Fizzbuzz. |
| 21:36 | <@AnnoDomini> | Wow. There's a recursive version in there. |
| 21:41 | <@AnnoDomini> | "It's disgusting how many wrong solutions there are to FizzBuzz on this page.." |
| 21:42 | <@AnnoDomini> | And then the guy who says this goes to write it WRONGLY. |
| 21:44 | <@AnnoDomini> | Heh. The indentationless assembly version looks horrible. |
| 21:46 | < Namegduf> | "I think the above is not elegant. Here's a better one, but I don't think it actually works and don't know how to make it work." |
| 21:47 | <@AnnoDomini> | Damn. |
| 21:51 | < Namegduf> | Fabian's misses printing the actual number, and for the love of god, you're in a high level language, you are not doing anyone any favours by "optimising" <= 100 into < 101, that's the compiler's job in *C*, let alone anything else. |
| 21:52 | < Namegduf> | Aside uglifying your code. |
| 21:53 | <@AnnoDomini> | I did it with i<101 too. It was the first thing that came to mind. Optimization never crossed my mind. |
| 21:54 | < Namegduf> | Huh. Why? |
| 21:54 | <@AnnoDomini> | Because i<100 was wrong. |
| 21:55 | < Namegduf> | Well, yeah. |
| 21:55 | <@AnnoDomini> | I went like "i<100" -> "wait, that's wrong" -> "i<101" -> "DONE." |
| 21:55 | < Namegduf> | Ah. |
| 21:57 | | * Namegduf winces at the Ruby syntax |
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| 21:58 | | * Derakon[work] mutters at people who tie up the microscope for two days solid without being in the lab. |
| 21:58 | < Namegduf> | It's like someone tried to turn it into psuedoenglish, but said person was actually from Eastern Europe and didn't speak it properly. |
| 21:58 | <@Vornicus> | Namegduf: Japan. |
| 21:58 | < Derakon[work]> | Problem being, there's a slide in the microscope, and the program is running; it's just not doing anything. But I can't take the risk that he's not just waiting for the cells to mature before starting phase 2 of his experiment or something. |
| 21:59 | < Namegduf> | Vornicus: Japan? Would make sense. |
| 21:59 | <@Vornicus> | He learned English /after/ starting Ruby. |
| 21:59 | < Namegduf> | ...ah. |
| 21:59 | < Namegduf> | I wonder why they don't understand modeling stuff with objects in Japan. |
| 22:00 | <@jerith> | Matz took the bits he liked from perl, lisp and smalltalk. |
| 22:00 | < Derakon[work]> | Jumping as I am into the middle of a conversation, I assume we're talking about the design of the Ruby language here? |
| 22:00 | < Namegduf> | Yes. |
| 22:00 | <@jerith> | Sadly, they're not really the bits /I/ like from those languages. |
| 22:00 | < Derakon[work]> | (OO design is not the be-all and end-all of programming, incidentally. It just happens to be fairly versatile and applicable to most generic problems) |
| 22:00 | <@jerith> | Der: As an aside while talking about Fizzbuzz. |
| 22:00 | < Namegduf> | Oh, yes, but when you're using it, it should be used... properly. |
| 22:01 | < Derakon[work]> | Jerith: regexes, implicit variables, and parentheses? |
| 22:01 | < Namegduf> | 20.days.ago makes my brain hurt |
| 22:01 | <@jerith> | Namegduf: That's Rails, not core Ruby. |
| 22:01 | < Namegduf> | 1.upto(100) isn't much better |
| 22:01 | < Namegduf> | jerith: Core Ruby seems to be just as bad. |
| 22:01 | | * Derakon[work] ponders a language that is inspired by multiple recent languages, but gets all the inspirations wrong. |
| 22:01 | < Namegduf> | In what conceptual model is "upto" an action performed "by", or on, the number 1? |
| 22:02 | < Derakon[work]> | Namegduf: in the same model in which you can do ",".split("foo,bar,baz") |
| 22:02 | <@jerith> | Namegduf: That's perl's "pragmatism" shining through. |
| 22:02 | < Namegduf> | Yeah, that doesn't make sense conceptually either, Derakon. |
| 22:02 | < Namegduf> | Luckily, "and that's it" seems to be the case for languages with that. |
| 22:03 | < Namegduf> | That is, strings are kinda weird, but other things are normal. |
| 22:03 | < Derakon[work]> | Perl was originally designed for text processing, remember. |
| 22:03 | < Namegduf> | Yeah. |
| 22:03 | < Derakon[work]> | It's expected that it's going to have some weird shortcuts to make that easier. |
| 22:04 | < Namegduf> | Oh, yeah, so long as they're just shortcuts, it's not so bad. |
| 22:04 | <@jerith> | Ruby makes it easy to hide landmines that later programmers (such as yourself, a week later) run into. |
| 22:04 | < Derakon[work]> | E.g. I'm pretty certain you can just do ",".split to operate on the implicit variable @_ |
| 22:04 | < Namegduf> | When they're basically "how the language's loops work" |
| 22:04 | < Namegduf> | Just... no. |
| 22:04 | < Namegduf> | Yeah, Perl's automatic variables are weird. |
| 22:05 | < Namegduf> | I've never written in Ruby, I actually seriously doubt I could tolerate that. I literally get a headache looking at that code. |
| 22:05 | < Derakon[work]> | I suspect that had I less experience with Perl, the things that Sebastien does to Python would really confuse me. |
| 22:05 | < Namegduf> | Perl's "if at the end of the line" thing isn't a good feature to port, either. |
| 22:05 | < Derakon[work]> | What, "doSomething if (someCondition);"? |
| 22:05 | < Namegduf> | Yeah. |
| 22:05 | <@jerith> | Well-written Ruby code can be concise, elegant and almost beautiful. |
| 22:05 | < Namegduf> | I mean, it's slightly convenient, I guess, but it reads kinda unhappily. |
| 22:06 | <@jerith> | But it's almost as rare as well-written PHP code. |
| 22:06 | <@Vornicus> | Unfortunately, well-written ruby code is rare even in the standard library. |
| 22:06 | < Namegduf> | I'm used to reading branching in code forwards, rather than backwards. |
| 22:06 | < Derakon[work]> | Well, so it has the same problem as the do-while loop. |
| 22:06 | < Namegduf> | Not really. |
| 22:06 | < Namegduf> | That starts with a "do". |
| 22:06 | < Namegduf> | And the branching in a loop happens at the end. |
| 22:06 | < Namegduf> | (If it's a do-while) |
| 22:06 | < Derakon[work]> | Okay, point. That is a signfier that a "while" is coming up. |
| 22:07 | < Derakon[work]> | I don't think there's ever a reason to have "do" without "while", is there? |
| 22:07 | < Namegduf> | I don't think it's legal in C/C++, not 100% sure. |
| 22:07 | <@Vornicus> | There isn't a reason |
| 22:07 | <@Vornicus> | in C you can have naked blocks for scoping. |
| 22:07 | < Derakon[work]> | Do without while would...yeah. |
| 22:07 | < Derakon[work]> | Just be a naked scope block. |
| 22:07 | | * jerith has stayed up way past his bedtime playing with his friends and needs to go brush his teeth now. |
| 22:08 | < Derakon[work]> | Night, Jerith. |
| 22:08 | <@jerith> | Duff's device! \o/ |
| 22:08 | < Derakon[work]> | :( |
| 22:08 | < Namegduf> | That thing is... certainly something. |
| 22:08 | <@jerith> | G'night all |
| 22:09 | <@jerith> | (Duff's device is beautiful and horrifying all at once. I love it. And I would eviscerate anyone who used it in production code.) |
| 22:11 | | * Derakon[work] sneaks it into Jerith's next checkin. |
| 22:50 | <@McMartin> | (Duff's device is something that compilers should automatically refactor syntax trees into as part of loop unrolling optimizations. It is NOT FOR HUMANS ANYMORE) |
| 22:50 | <@McMartin> | (We've done it, now you don't have to!) |
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| 23:24 | < Derakon[work]> | It just occurred to me -- sending attachments via webmail is rather inefficient. |
| 23:25 | < Derakon[work]> | First you upload the attachment to the server, then the server sends the attachment to the recipient. |
| 23:25 | < Derakon[work]> | There's an extra transfer involved. |
| 23:34 | <@McMartin> | Yes. |
| 23:35 | <@McMartin> | Unless you're on the same webmail server. |
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