| --- Log opened Thu Dec 03 00:00:58 2009 |
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| 02:38 | | * Derakon is amused at this article title: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embarrassingly_parallel |
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| 03:16 | < simon`> | Derakon, I also just recently learned of the term. :) |
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| 04:09 | | * Vornicus fiddles with LaTeX, and also Word to figure out specifically what he actually wants. |
| 04:15 | < Vornicus> | Okay. two columns, 5/8" margins, 1/4" inter-column spacing. Section and chapter titles should cross the entire page; chapter titles should start a fresh page. |
| 04:17 | < Vornicus> | Chapter titles 24 point extra bold; section titles 18 point extra bold. |
| 04:20 | < Vornicus> | Subsections 12 point italic; problems 12 point plain; problem numbers 12 point bold. Subproblems same stuff, indented 1/4" (?) from parent. If the problem itself is blank, the subproblem should start on the same line as the problem. |
| 04:24 | < Vornicus> | Problem solutions indented 1/8" /both sides/ from problem/subproblem, ten point plain. Solutions have end markers, flush right in the boxes. |
| 04:25 | < Vornicus> | ten bucks I can automate all of that. |
| 04:36 | < Vornicus> | Hm. Forgot page numbers. Top outside corner, 5/8" from side, 3/8" from top, 9 point. |
| 04:38 | < Vornicus> | Chapter and section titles should be sans serif; sections and chapters have numbers (oddly enough chapters start from 0) and the numbers are separated from the titles by a diamond. |
| 04:39 | < Vornicus> | Correction - 1/2" outside margin, 3/4" gutter margin. |
| 04:39 | < Vornicus> | THere should be a hairline between columns. |
| 04:41 | < Vornicus> | Okay I think that covers it. |
| 04:42 | < Vornicus> | Oh. Only multiline solutions should have end markers. |
| 04:44 | < Vornicus> | Now. Time to learn enough LaTeX to make it happen. |
| 05:13 | < Vornicus> | I did not know, before I did that, how much I have to say about how the page is laid out. |
| 05:14 | < McMartin> | This is why I do not believe that LaTeX and word processors are direct competitors. |
| 05:15 | < Vornicus> | I actually have more than that written in a text document; I've even defined down to where columns are allowed to break if necessary within problems. |
| 05:23 | < Vornicus> | Okay. Step 1 I guess is getting the margins, columns, and headers set up. |
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| 05:41 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Anybody remember the name of that theory that you can predict the success of a programming student based on some fairly simple testing? |
| 05:43 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Something like half the students have the wrong mental model to begin with, and few fix it no matter how much teaching |
| 05:44 | < Tarinaky> | I can vaguely recall one that involves VB and people who know it being 'damaged'. |
| 05:45 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Don't think that was it |
| 05:45 | < Rhamphoryncus> | This one had something like "a = 0; b = 12; a = b; what is a?" |
| 05:45 | < Rhamphoryncus> | or rather, what is a and what is b |
| 05:45 | < Rhamphoryncus> | lots of different interpretations |
| 05:50 | < Tarinaky> | I... I can only think of two :/ |
| 05:52 | < Rhamphoryncus> | which are? |
| 05:52 | < Tarinaky> | Treating the '=' as an assignment operator... a and b are both 12. |
| 05:53 | < Tarinaky> | The second is as a comparator... In which case they could be anything. |
| 05:54 | < Rhamphoryncus> | http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/PhDArea/saeed/S_Dehnadi_ppij-2006__2.pdf |
| 05:54 | < Rhamphoryncus> | found it |
| 05:55 | < Rhamphoryncus> | sorry, a and b started as 10 and 20 |
| 06:05 | | * Tarinaky shrugs. |
| 06:06 | < Vornicus> | Hrm. This is not a difficulty I envisioned. The tutorial at http://www.tex.ac.uk/tex-archive/info/beginlatex/html/ says that documentation for various packages should be on my hard drive in my installation's texmf/doc folder, but there's nothing named or containing the word "geometry", according to search. |
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| 06:31 | < Vornicus> | Okay, found that documentation. Now columns. |
| 06:36 | < Vornicus> | Okay, found the columns docs, not hard to set up; however I would like to switch between a full-page header and the two-column section without actually repeating the columns command each time. |
| 06:43 | < Vornicus> | I suspect this happens when I start redefining how my section and chapter breaks work. |
| 06:44 | < Vornicus> | ...no information there on how to define column spacing and hairlines. |
| 06:47 | < Vornicus> | Ah, there that is. |
| 06:47 | < Vornicus> | Okay. Columns and margins set up, except for automating the column starts etc. |
| 06:52 | < Vornicus> | multicol is a lot cleaner than setting twocolumn for the whole document. Balanced and all. |
| 07:09 | < Vornicus> | Okay, headers set. |
| 07:23 | < Vornicus> | ...except i don't want that line there. Get lost, line! |
| 07:25 | < Vornicus> | There it goes. |
| 07:37 | < Vornicus> | Okay. Chapters should be allowed to start on even /or/ odd pages... |
| 08:33 | | * Vornicus gets all of the following to work: chapter and section headings look like he wants; headers and columns and pages all look right. Now: \chaptername should give the name of the chapter instead of just "Chapter" |
| 08:45 | < Vornicus> | So far none of the things suggested actually work. Hrmng. |
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| 08:58 | < Vornicus> | TF: I have a great variety of LaTeX questions for you when we happen to once again be awake at the same time. Most important right now are "how do I make chapter and section headings break out of columns every time" which I suspect will teach me much about how this thing actually works, and "how do I get the name of the chapter to actually show up in the header, cuz it ain't" |
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| 14:37 | | * gnolam laughs diabolically. |
| 14:44 | < gnolam> | (Function pointer abuse. This might be some of the most evil C++ I have ever written.) |
| 15:03 | < MyCatSchemes> | No it isn't. |
| 15:03 | < MyCatSchemes> | It's not really evil until you're abusing both member pointers and method pointers. |
| 15:03 | < MyCatSchemes> | The latter of which, I am not even sure offhand if there is such a thing. |
| 15:04 | < gnolam> | They are pointers to member functions. :) |
| 15:04 | < gnolam> | Inside various nested std:: structures. :) |
| 15:05 | < MyCatSchemes> | Nested std:: structures are no scarier than any other kind of nested structures... |
| 15:06 | < MyCatSchemes> | http://docs.sun.com/source/816-6408-10/option.htm <- dig the epic eval() abuse in the "populate a SELECT" example. |
| 15:06 | < gnolam> | I disagree. Nested C++ templates make it so that even a simple typo can lead to error messages apparently written by Abdul al-Hazred. |
| 15:07 | < MyCatSchemes> | Mad Arabs FTW. |
| 15:08 | < gnolam> | And in the end, you end up with lines like ((*this).*(it->second))(). |
| 15:08 | < MyCatSchemes> | Yeah, okay, I'll give you that. |
| 16:00 | < simon`> | ew |
| 16:00 | < simon`> | cool, but dangerous. |
| 16:05 | < Namegduf> | Method pointers can be useful. |
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| 18:50 | < Derakon[work]> | After discovering a variable named "aaaa", I decided to do a quick little check... |
| 18:50 | < Derakon[work]> | % perl -e 'foreach ("a".."z") {$a = "$_$_$_"; print "$a:\n"; print `grep -ri $a *`}'|grep -v test > repetition.txt |
| 18:50 | < Derakon[work]> | udp024415uds% wc -l repetition.txt |
| 18:50 | < Derakon[work]> | 284 repetition.txt |
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| 18:54 | <@TheWatcher> | ... |
| 18:54 | <@TheWatcher> | Derakon[work]: Where is sebastian again, roughly? In Germany? |
| 18:55 | < Derakon[work]> | Somewhere in Germany, yes. |
| 18:55 | <@TheWatcher> | I wonder how much it'd cost me to get to Germany... |
| 18:56 | < Derakon[work]> | Note that a significant number of the results from that were from his deciding that the proper name shortcut when importing sebGui is GGG. |
| 18:59 | <@TheWatcher> | Well, I suppose that one way to look at it is to admire his adherance to consistent naming! |
| 19:02 | < Derakon[work]> | Of course, I'm breaking that wherever I find it... |
| 19:03 | < Derakon[work]> | (Generally, eliminating "import X from Y" and "import X as Y" in favor of "import X") |
| 19:11 | < simon`> | Derakon[work], grep -Ei '([a-z])\1\1' test | wc -l |
| 19:11 | < simon`> | Derakon[work], shouldn't that suffice? |
| 19:18 | < Derakon[work]> | I tend to substitute Perl in for exhaustive knowledge of different systems' pattern matching peculiarities. |
| 19:19 | < Derakon[work]> | But yes, that looks like it would work. |
| 19:28 | < simon`> | so do I |
| 19:29 | < simon`> | I don't even know if that works in egrep, it would in perl. :P |
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| 19:55 | | * Derakon[work] eyes Numpy, which includes a function named "arange". |
| 19:56 | < Derakon[work]> | Mental note: do not name functions such that people think, at first glance, that I am incapable of spelling properly. |
| 19:58 | < simon`> | heh |
| 19:59 | < simon`> | in python I'd assume it'd be a variant to range/xrange |
| 19:59 | < Derakon[work]> | Yes. |
| 19:59 | < Derakon[work]> | I suspect the "a" stands for "arbitrary". Or perhaps for "floating point". |
| 19:59 | | * McMartin throws creat() at Derakon. |
| 19:59 | < Derakon[work]> | Basically it doesn't constrain itself to integers. |
| 20:00 | | * Derakon[work] looks up creat(). "...why?" |
| 20:00 | < Derakon[work]> | Is this something like HTTP_REFERER? |
| 20:01 | | * simon` is trying to get a good fetchmail/procmail/mutt setup on his laptop. |
| 20:01 | < McMartin> | Because it's POSIX, and letters generally - especially vowels - are an abomination unto it. |
| 20:01 | < Derakon[work]> | But they couldn't get away with calling it "crt". Gotcha. |
| 20:06 | | * Derakon[work] encounters, in some OpenGL drawing code, semicolons. |
| 20:06 | < Derakon[work]> | Okay, now he's really crossed the line~ |
| 20:06 | < Derakon[work]> | (Probably he copied this from a C example) |
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| 21:17 | | * Derakon[work] finishes the first-pass code style fixing for this 988-line file. |
| 21:18 | < Derakon[work]> | Tomorrow I'll read the diff and make certain it still functions properly. ?.? |
| 21:31 | < AnnoDomini> | Is that an emoticon at the end? |
| 21:31 | < McMartin> | Yes; the eyes are logical NOTs. |
| 21:31 | < McMartin> | It's roughly similar to >_> |
| 21:34 | < Derakon[work]> | Heh. The diff for the file is 30% longer than the file itself. |
| 21:34 | < Derakon[work]> | I had to make a lot of changes! |
| 21:37 | < Derakon[work]> | (And this is just fixing code style; I didn't change much of anything in how the code actually runs) |
| 21:38 | | * simon` is still downloading old emails through pop3s. this takes forever. |
| 21:49 | | * Derakon[work] sighs as he discovers that Sebastian has written a sign() function that he uses precisely once. |
| 21:49 | < Derakon[work]> | (Said sign function is, in its entirety, "return (arr>0)*2 - 1") |
| 21:51 | < McMartin> | That isn't even a correct sign function. |
| 21:52 | < Derakon[work]> | I'm not certain, but the argument might be a Numpy array, which would explain why it's named "arr". |
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| 21:53 | < McMartin> | Does he have a variable named "avast"? |
| 21:53 | < Derakon[work]> | Sadly, no. |
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| 23:15 | | * Derakon[work] excises 9 globally-scoped variables and two arguments from a function. |
| 23:15 | < McMartin> | >_< |
| 23:15 | < Derakon[work]> | One of them was named f. |
| 23:16 | < McMartin> | >_< |
| 23:16 | < Derakon[work]> | (It meant "frame" this time, instead of "file"!) |
| 23:16 | < Derakon[work]> | Now I just have to give more useful names to sv1, sv1h1, sv1h1v_h, etc. |
| 23:18 | < AnnoDomini> | JHVH. |
| 23:19 | | * Vornicus-Latens returns home from picking up secret santa name and also cookies. |
| 23:19 | | * Vornicus-Latens then rejoins the battle against LaTeX |
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| 23:27 | | * Derakon[work] eyes this code. |
| 23:27 | < Derakon[work]> | Sebastian must've been working in a 60-column window that day. |
| 23:27 | < Derakon[work]> | camVertSizer.Add(panel, 0, |
| 23:27 | < Derakon[work]> | wx.EXPAND | |
| 23:27 | < Derakon[work]> | wx.ALL, 2) |
| 23:28 | < Derakon[work]> | (NB camVertSizer used to be called "sv1h1_v[i]") |
| 23:44 | | * Derakon[work] finishes reworking the code style for a 150-line file; the file diff is 299 lines. ;.; |
| 23:45 | < McMartin> | That sounds like you changed every single line that wasn't blank space. |
| 23:46 | < Derakon[work]> | Just about. |
| 23:46 | < McMartin> | Or possibly that wasn't the shebang. |
| 23:46 | < Derakon[work]> | The lines I skipped were: a couple of imports; some comments; the creation of a sizer object (which I'd added the last time I was in this file), and part of a loop construct (which I also added last time). |
| 23:47 | < Derakon[work]> | And 23 blank lines. |
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| 23:53 | < Derakon[work]> | I mean, I don't really get anything out of reading this code diff. |
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| 23:54 | < Derakon[work]> | "You removed every line of code and replaced it with a similar line of code, but because I'm diff, I'm not going to display them side-by-side for you." |
| 23:54 | < Derakon[work]> | Instead I get a big chunk of 20+ lines removed, then 20+ lines added, then the blank line I didn't touch... |
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