code logs -> 2009 -> Sat, 12 Sep 2009< code.20090911.log - code.20090913.log >
--- Log opened Sat Sep 12 00:00:01 2009
00:08
<@ToxicFrog>
Hmm.
00:09
<@ToxicFrog>
Trying to fix gfxboot for the SUSE part has apparently broken it even more, to the extent that it falls back to text mode rather than giving me an unusable graphical mode.
00:09
<@ToxicFrog>
Success~
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07:58
< Rhamphoryncus>
IRC fall down, go boom
07:59
<@McMartin>
INdeed
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--- Log opened Sat Sep 12 08:27:51 2009
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08:53 mode/#code [+oooo McMartin MyCatVerbs Orthia TheWatcher[zZzZ]] by Reiver
08:53<~Reiver> Syloq can op himself. :P
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09:13
<@Vornotron>
Yes you did.
09:13 * Syloq beggs to differ
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09:18 mode/#code [+o Syloq] by Reiver
09:18<~Reiver> Har! You do now! *pthbt*
09:22
<@Syloq>
fs,moy
09:22
<@Syloq>
damnit too
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15:45
< SmithKurosaki>
Ahoy
15:49
< dmlandrum>
Hello
15:49
< dmlandrum>
Finally, I decided to dump that old name.
15:49
< Namegduf>
Hm.
15:49
< Namegduf>
I liked it.
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16:46
< SmithKurosaki>
So I take it the transfer went well?
16:46
< Namegduf>
Yes, but the luggage is now somewhere in Canada.
16:47
< SmithKurosaki>
Oh, well I can find it if it's near where I live
17:05
< Alek>
so did I, dml, fudge.
17:19 Derakon[AFK] is now known as Derakon
17:27
< gnolam>
Namegduf: I thought it always ended up in Murmansk?`
17:27
< Namegduf>
gnolam: Except when that's where you want it to go.
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17:35
< gnolam>
http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/09/russias-new-holiday-programmers-day.ht ml
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17:35
< gnolam>
I notice that it's no longer +U.
17:39 mode/#code [+u] by Derakon
17:39
<@Derakon>
Is that it?
17:39
< Elizabeth>
I think it needs more uppercase.
17:40
< Namegduf>
No, modes are case-sensitive.
17:40
< Elizabeth>
Also, wasn't U a custom feature of nightstar?
17:40
<@Derakon>
That got me the error "*** U is unknown mode char to me"
17:40 mode/#code [-u] by Derakon
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--- Log opened Sat Sep 12 18:29:59 2009
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20:15
< Rhamphoryncus>
Oh hey, no ident!
20:15
<@Derakon>
Yeah, the nick DB got blown away.
20:15
<@Derakon>
So rereg.
20:15
< Rhamphoryncus>
not that ident
20:15
< Rhamphoryncus>
identd
20:16
<@Derakon>
Ah.
20:16
< Rhamphoryncus>
used to take a minute or so for nightstar's ident attempt to time out
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22:04
< McMartin>
I just got an email from someone at Lockheed Martin asking about one of the UQM bugfixes
22:06
< gnolam>
Lockheed-Martin has been in contact with the Melnorme?
22:07
< McMartin>
That, or they too must contend with shitty Matrox hardware
22:07
<@Kazriko>
G200?
22:07
< McMartin>
Ee-yep.
22:07 * Kazriko liked his G450's. Best video cards he ever had... up until they fell waaay behind.
22:07
<@Kazriko>
G200's suck though.
22:07
< McMartin>
G450 had the same problem, actually.
22:08
< McMartin>
It doesn't respect GL_UNPACK_SKIP_* constants while claiming it does
22:08
<@Kazriko>
I see.
22:08 * Kazriko had problems with his nvidia cards playing starfleet command, but the matrox was flawless in that game.
22:09
< McMartin>
The issue only really came up for procedural textures
22:09
< McMartin>
Which UQM has all over the place since it's simulating an old-school VGA framebuffer for the actual game core.
22:10
<@Kazriko>
Ah, I see.
22:11
< McMartin>
And you can get around this with careful programming, which is what we did and which is what said systems engineer was asking me to explain
22:11
< McMartin>
Also a "how the Hell did you figure out that was the problem", so I also sent some annotated screenshots~
22:12 * Kazriko goes back to his python modbus code...
22:23
<@Vornicus>
So how did you figure out that was the problem?
22:25
< AnnoDomini>
Pics or it didn't happen!
22:27 Kazriko is now known as Arkaic
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22:45
< Rhamphoryncus>
is there a video card that's actually *good* on linux? stable drivers, completely opensource, 2d and 3d?
22:48
< McMartin>
Well
22:48
< McMartin>
It's all of those, but not good
22:48
< McMartin>
Intel embedded graphics chips
22:48
< McMartin>
Vornicus: The wrong parts of the screen were being updated.
22:49
< McMartin>
You'd change some text in the middle of the screen, and instead of updating there, it appeared in the top left corner.
22:52 * Rhamphoryncus wonders if he can get an intel embedded chip with an AMD mobo ;)
22:57
< gnolam>
Where "not good" entails "might possibly, if you're lucky, implement half of OpenGL 1.2 correctly".
22:59 * Namegduf views nVidia as good, but "completely opensource" doesn't really weigh into his considerations of quality.
23:17
< AnnoDomini>
Hey, guys, what's the most fucktarded font you know that's actually leglible?
23:17
< AnnoDomini>
I mean, no wingdings or anything, but something highly annoying.
23:18
<@Derakon>
Hmm...one of the really ornate cursive ones would probably do the trick.
23:20
< AnnoDomini>
Hmmmm. I'm probably looking for something most users would be able to display - it's for a web page.
23:20
<@Derakon>
Oh, well, then you're stuck with what the users have installed.
23:21
< AnnoDomini>
There is a pretty standard collection, isn't there?
23:21
<@Derakon>
Well, you can look at what comes installed by default on various OSes.
23:21
<@Derakon>
But it's different for each.
23:22
< AnnoDomini>
I have a fair idea what comes with Windows. What comes with Linux?
23:23
<@ToxicFrog>
Depends on the distro, but it's generally a pretty big list
23:28
<@ToxicFrog>
Rhamphoryncus: the thing with Intel embedded chips is that they're well supported, but suck
23:29
<@ToxicFrog>
So you have 100% of very little.
23:29
< AnnoDomini>
I think I'll default to Comic Sans MS. Is that supported on Linux?
23:29
< Rhamphoryncus>
ToxicFrog: I see
23:30
<@ToxicFrog>
I don't see it on my font list.
23:30
< Rhamphoryncus>
ToxicFrog: my current card had moderate closed-source drivers on the previous version of ubuntu. They don't support this version of ubuntu though (or didn't last I tried), and the open source drivers are unstable
23:30
<@ToxicFrog>
Rhamphoryncus: I've had good experiences with ATI cards, but I seem to be in the minority on this.
23:31
< Rhamphoryncus>
card = HD3200, amd onboard
23:31
<@ToxicFrog>
http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.7&pro duct=2.7.4.3.3.3.1&lang=English ?
23:32
<@ToxicFrog>
What version of ubuntu is it, what's the failure mode?
23:32
< Rhamphoryncus>
it was unbootable
23:33
<@ToxicFrog>
Oh dear.
23:33
< Rhamphoryncus>
8.10 worked, 9.04 doesn't
23:34
< Rhamphoryncus>
I would not be surprised if they fixed it since, but I've been reluctant to try
23:34
< Rhamphoryncus>
heh, they mention fixing an issue with 9.04. Guess it works for them ;)
23:42
< Rhamphoryncus>
ahhh, the 9.8 release in august added ubuntu 9.04
23:42 * Rhamphoryncus hopes that's not a pattern
23:43
<@Kazriko>
ATI cards are OK in linux if you don't try to do anything fancy with em. Dual screen is right out, in my experience. heh
23:46
< Rhamphoryncus>
I think I will try the closed-source driver again today
23:59
< AnnoDomini>
Who wants to rate a webpage for awfulness?
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code logs -> 2009 -> Sat, 12 Sep 2009< code.20090911.log - code.20090913.log >