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| 06:39 | < Derakon> | I didn't think this was possible. |
| 06:39 | < Derakon> | There's a file in a directory I own that I am not allowed to delete. |
| 06:39 | < Derakon> | As in, rm -rf gives the error "Operation not permitted". |
| 06:40 | < Derakon> | The file in question has this output from ls -l: |
| 06:40 | < Derakon> | -rw-r--r-- 1 chriswei chriswei 25K Nov 7 2004 distribution-license.txt |
| 06:46 | | * McMartin finally gets home. |
| 06:46 | | * McMartin was in late playing with a new OS X 10.6 install, though, so it's more or less all good. |
| 06:46 | < Derakon> | Ahh. |
| 06:47 | <@McMartin> | 10.6 is looking to be Apple's Vista. Looks about the same except for breaking the shit out of everything, but most of those things needed breaking in the first place. |
| 06:47 | < Derakon> | Such as? |
| 06:47 | <@McMartin> | Mandatory 32-bit dependencies, mostly. |
| 06:47 | <@McMartin> | APIs that were holdovers from OS 9. |
| 06:48 | < Derakon> | Carbon's dead, then? |
| 06:48 | <@McMartin> | Not entirely, but it's getting there. |
| 06:48 | <@McMartin> | CoreFoundation is unlikely to be going anywhere, though, and that's generally "part of Carbon" |
| 06:48 | <@McMartin> | We were seeing crashes in stuff generated by libc++, however, which is somewhat alarming. |
| 06:49 | <@McMartin> | Having tracked one of those down, I deemed it Time To Go Home. |
| 06:49 | < Derakon> | Given that it's 22:48 now? Yeah. |
| 06:49 | <@McMartin> | Tomorrow I can look into actually rebuilding that binary with the 10.6 devtools and see if that magically fixes it |
| 06:49 | <@McMartin> | I give it a good 30% chance of doing so. |
| 06:49 | <@McMartin> | The question remains whether the result will run on 10.5. |
| 06:50 | < Derakon> | Don't you just love having multiple different versions of your program for what is nominally the same OS? |
| 06:50 | <@McMartin> | (The bits of Carbon that were removed in 10.6 were actually officially deprecated in 10.5, so that's unlikely to be a problem) |
| 06:50 | <@McMartin> | 10.4 and 10.6 aren't really the same OS~ |
| 06:50 | <@McMartin> | No more than Win2k and Vista are, anyway. |
| 06:51 | < Derakon> | Mph. |
| 06:52 | <@McMartin> | 10.5 is recognizably a patched version of 10.4. 10.6 has a lot of source continuity but the binaries are wildly different. |
| 06:52 | <@McMartin> | (Since the kernel and most of the system libraries become 64-bit by default in it) |
| 06:52 | <@McMartin> | 10.5 was where the heavy extension went in though. |
| 06:53 | <@McMartin> | So far, though, my experience with 10.6 is telling me "if 10.5 is working for you there's seriously no reason to upgrade." |
| 06:54 | < Derakon> | Hell, 10.4 is working for me. |
| 06:54 | <@McMartin> | 10.5 is at least noticably shinier than 10.4 |
| 06:54 | <@McMartin> | And has some other fairly significant extensions like a garbage-collection-enabled version of Cocoa |
| 06:55 | < Derakon> | Mmm...my laptop is running 10.5 and the only major difference I've noted is that Firefox doesn't correctly limit itself to form fields when I hit tab. ¬.¬ |
| 06:55 | < Derakon> | Granted I don't use the lappy much. |
| 06:55 | <@McMartin> | Firefox is terrible~ |
| 06:55 | <@McMartin> | More seriously, 10.5 is where the OS 9 stuff got deprecated and the newer APIs got first introduced. |
| 06:55 | <@McMartin> | Which means that 10.4 is going to hit a point where stuff Stops Working much more quickly than 10.5 does. |
| 06:56 | < Derakon> | ISTR getting a warning when I run Jetblade on the lappy about using some deprecated API... |
| 06:56 | < Derakon> | I hope PyGame gets updated on time. |
| 06:56 | <@McMartin> | 10.5's Finder and Dock have prettier options. |
| 06:56 | < Derakon> | Er, in time. |
| 06:56 | <@McMartin> | That's SDL, not PyGame; QuickDraw is still alive in 10.6, I think. |
| 06:56 | <@McMartin> | I didn't check today; I should. |
| 06:56 | < Derakon> | Ahh, okeyden. |
| 06:57 | <@McMartin> | SDL already has a Quartz backend but it's not the default, IIRC. |
| 06:59 | <@McMartin> | The stuff that's going away in 10.6 is stuff like bits of the "customizable Print Manager UI pages" stuff in Carbon |
| 06:59 | < Derakon> | Well, so long as it isn't tiresome to switch to, I've no concern. |
| 07:00 | <@McMartin> | As far as you're concerned, it's going to be "set an environment variable", if that. |
| 07:00 | < Derakon> | Great. |
| 07:00 | < Derakon> | I can set up my own development environment with a fair amount of skill, but I don't want Jetblade to be hard to contribute to. |
| 07:00 | <@McMartin> | (This already happens on Windows; some graphics cards are terrible at DirectDraw and you have to set the environment variable to use WinDIB instead) |
| 07:05 | <@McMartin> | ... hmm. |
| 07:05 | | * McMartin logs into his work machine to check one last thing |
| 07:05 | <@McMartin> | <-- obsessive, but it's for SCIENCE, so. |
| 07:07 | < Derakon> | I hope to have a SCIENCE job myself~ |
| 07:08 | < Derakon> | Sadly, the only salary guidelines I found for UCSF are here: http://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/notice-files/NOT-OD-09-075.html |
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| 07:15 | < Derakon> | T-2, all. |
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| 12:56 | | * TheWatcher readsup some more, notes that while "firefox is terrible" it's actually doing what the WAG says it should do. |
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| 13:32 | < Orthia> | WAG? |
| 13:33 | <@TheWatcher> | the Website Accessibility Guidelines published by the W3C |
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| 19:34 | < Derakon> | Ahh, this is a fun error to get. |
| 19:34 | < Derakon> | ls: .: No such file or directory |
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| 20:28 | < Vornicus> | Der: how did you pull that one off? |
| 20:28 | <@Derakon> | By removing the directory I was working in. |
| 20:29 | < Vornicus> | aha |
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| 21:53 | | * Derakon extends the splashscreen a bit, hooks it into the logging framework. |
| 21:58 | <@Derakon> | Hmm...so I have a SoundManager class that has a mapping of sound names to PyGame Sound objects. The sound name is simply the (relative) path to the sound. Currently I call SoundManager.playSound(soundName) to play a specific sound. I want to also be able to call SoundManager.playSound(nameOfDirectoryOfSounds) to play a randomly-selected sound from the sounds in the directory. |
| 21:59 | <@Derakon> | BRB phone. |
| 22:01 | <@Derakon> | Okay, so it seems like I have two options: have playSound check to see if the name passed to it points to a list of sounds or a single sound, and in the former case, pick one at random; or have a playSoundGroup function that assumes that the name of a group of sounds is passed in. |
| 22:01 | <@Derakon> | I'd like the former from a usability standpoint, but checking the types of variables directly always struck me as a bit hacky. |
| 22:01 | <@Derakon> | I suppose I could have two mappings; one for sound groups and one for single sounds, and check presence in those two mappings to determine behavior... |
| 22:16 | <@McMartin> | Hm. |
| 22:17 | <@McMartin> | Derakon, just a note: Stuff compiled on a 10.6 machine will work on 10.5 but not 10.4; they changed some of the ABIs, with 10.5 speaking both |
| 22:17 | <@McMartin> | Not fully sure what's up with that. |
| 22:17 | <@Derakon> | Unfortunate. |
| 22:17 | <@McMartin> | But I'm getting warnings about it. |
| 22:17 | <@McMartin> | Some of it's because of ObjC 2.0, I think, and I suspect they compiled them in ways that violate the old spec |
| 23:08 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Derakon: I'd call it playRandomSound |
| 23:10 | <@Derakon> | I ended up going with two dicts. |
| 23:12 | < Rhamphoryncus> | how so? |
| 23:12 | <@Derakon> | One for individual sounds, one for lists. |
| 23:12 | <@Derakon> | So playSound first checks the dict of individual sounds, then the sound lists. |
| 23:12 | < Rhamphoryncus> | how are you randomly picking one? I'm concerned about performance |
| 23:12 | <@Derakon> | So if you play e.g. "player/attacks/swoosh.ogg" you'll get the same sound always, but "player/attacks" will pick a random attack sound. |
| 23:13 | <@Derakon> | random.choice(self.nameToSoundListMap[soundName]).play() |
| 23:13 | < Rhamphoryncus> | oh, so the second is a list of sounds? |
| 23:13 | <@Derakon> | Right. |
| 23:13 | < Rhamphoryncus> | okay, that's fine |
| 23:13 | <@Derakon> | It's a list of all of the sound objects that are under the named directory. |
| 23:14 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Storing the sound names in a set is the "obvious" choice, but there's no API for random lookups. You'd have to convert it to a list every time :/ |
| 23:15 | <@Derakon> | Heh. |
| 23:16 | <@Derakon> | Given that I'm using the sound's path as a key, I don't think sets would actually gain me anything here. |
| 23:16 | < Rhamphoryncus> | not for this use, no :) |
| 23:19 | < Rhamphoryncus> | more of a peeve of mine than anything else |
| 23:19 | <@Derakon> | What, the lack of a random selection from a set? |
| 23:21 | < Rhamphoryncus> | yeah |
| 23:47 | < Vornicus> | It peeves me as well! |
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