| --- Log opened Sat Jul 11 00:00:37 2009 |
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| 02:19 | <@Consul> | Anybody know of any typography/logo design types geeks that I can bounce something off of |
| 02:19 | <@Consul> | ? |
| 02:19 | <@SmithKurosaki> | What you mean |
| 02:19 | <@SmithKurosaki> | I am kind of artsy |
| 02:19 | <@Consul> | Well, someone who knows their stuff as far as lettering is concerned, I guess. |
| 02:20 | <@Consul> | I'm designing a logo for my "band" (consisting of only me), and I just wanted to bounce it off of someone. In private, though, because I can't afford the domain yet. |
| 02:20 | <@SmithKurosaki> | ahh |
| 02:20 | <@SmithKurosaki> | Well, I can let you know what I think |
| 02:21 | <@Consul> | Can you receive DCC? |
| 02:21 | <@SmithKurosaki> | mhm |
| 02:22 | <@SmithKurosaki> | Or at least I should be able to |
| 02:22 | <@Consul> | Sending. |
| 02:22 | <@Consul> | Err, time out. |
| 02:23 | <@SmithKurosaki> | Gnar |
| 02:23 | <@SmithKurosaki> | One sec |
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| 02:24 | < AgentIchiro> | Hey consul, can you try sending it again |
| 02:25 | < AgentIchiro> | I hope using the other server I have, it's set up for DCCs |
| 02:25 | <@Consul> | Timeout again. |
| 02:25 | < AgentIchiro> | I don't know what then |
| 02:25 | < AgentIchiro> | Sorry |
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| 02:26 | <@SmithKurosaki> | Cool, my name is yellow instead of pink |
| 02:28 | <@Vornicus> | Looks pink here. |
| 02:37 | <@SmithKurosaki> | Ahh, I am also AI |
| 02:37 | <@SmithKurosaki> | Well, was |
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| 02:50 | <@Vornicus> | Aha |
| 02:50 | <@Vornicus> | Yes, AI was yellow |
| 02:50 | | * Vornicus cookies SmithKurosaki. |
| 02:51 | <@SmithKurosaki> | o.0 A cookie. Yay! |
| 02:51 | <@SmithKurosaki> | It helps me feel better |
| 02:54 | <@Consul> | Flu? |
| 03:03 | <@SmithKurosaki> | Stress induced fever and tiredness |
| 03:03 | <@Consul> | Ick |
| 03:03 | <@SmithKurosaki> | I am not vomitting or anything |
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| 04:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | Consul: check your firewall/router. |
| 04:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | DCC send issues are almost always on the sender's side, because of the way DCC works. |
| 04:37 | <@Consul> | ToxicFrog: I already did. I don't have it set to block anything outgoing. |
| 04:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | DCC uses incoming connections. |
| 04:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | The reciever connects to the sender. |
| 04:38 | <@Consul> | That's odd... |
| 04:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | The sender sends a CTCP DCC message to the receiver saying what host and port to connect to. |
| 04:38 | <@Consul> | So the sender sends a request for the receiver to send a request for connection? |
| 04:38 | <@Consul> | Ah, I see. |
| 04:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | The receiver then connects to that host and port to receive the actual data. |
| 04:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | So, common failure modes are: |
| 04:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | - your firewall is blocking inbound connections on the port range you're using for DCC |
| 04:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | - you opened a hole in the firewall but forgot to tell DCC to use only those ports |
| 04:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | - you are behind a NAT gateway (eg, most routers and some modems) and haven't told your IRC client what your external IP is, so it tells the receiver to connect to 192.168.1.50 or similar |
| 04:40 | <@Consul> | Yeah, I'm in my firewall settings now. |
| 04:40 | <@Consul> | Uhh |
| 04:41 | <@Consul> | Since my external IP changes, how can xchat ever know what it is? |
| 04:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | I believe modern xchats have a "determine IP automatically" option, although I don't know how well that works. |
| 04:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | Personally, I have a domain name and just tell it to use that. |
| 04:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | You can also change it yourself when your external IP changes. |
| 04:43 | <@Consul> | Argh |
| 04:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | Or use a plugin to do it automatically. |
| 04:43 | <@Consul> | This firewall stores exceptions for fixed IPs. |
| 04:43 | <@Consul> | I have DHCP set up. |
| 04:43 | <@Consul> | This is definitely not a *tonight* project. |
| 04:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | Your router/firewall doesn't support static DHCP or hash DHCP? |
| 04:44 | <@Consul> | Eh, it might be able to do static DHCP. |
| 04:44 | <@Consul> | It was free from the ISP, I'll put it that way. |
| 04:46 | <@Consul> | I can't make heads or tails of this crap interface. It looks like static DHCP might be the default. It seems to have my computer listed to use the same IP. |
| 04:47 | <@Consul> | Can I try sending you something? |
| 04:47 | <@Consul> | It's amazing how big of a hack IRC is. |
| 04:47 | <@Consul> | And yet it works. |
| 04:47 | < Namegduf> | Mostly. :P |
| 04:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | Go ahead. |
| 04:48 | <@Consul> | I'll try to find something G-rated. :-P |
| 04:49 | <@Consul> | Nothing? |
| 04:54 | <@Consul> | Okay, trying again... |
| 04:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | It worked, kind of |
| 04:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | Only not really |
| 04:54 | <@Consul> | Okay, what would cause it to "kinda work?" |
| 04:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | It connects and transfers 1k, and then drops. |
| 04:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | First one was connection reset by peer; second one was stall. |
| 04:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | I can however verify that it is reporting the correct IP; you have no worries on that score. |
| 04:56 | <@Consul> | Try #2 |
| 04:56 | <@Consul> | Err #3 |
| 04:57 | <@Consul> | Well, this is enough to piss me off. |
| 04:57 | <@Consul> | Is DCC TCP or UDP? |
| 04:57 | <@ToxicFrog> | Once again, it transfers 1k and then stops. |
| 04:57 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's almost like my acks aren't reaching you or something. |
| 04:57 | <@ToxicFrog> | And it's TCP. |
| 04:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/rfc/index.html |
| 05:00 | <@Consul> | This router is really pissing me off. |
| 05:00 | <@Consul> | I can't edit the rule I just made. |
| 05:01 | <@Consul> | But if I make another rule, I can edit that one. |
| 05:04 | <@Consul> | Turns out I have to deactivate it before I can edit it. |
| 05:04 | <@Consul> | Okay, #4 |
| 05:05 | <@Consul> | Okay... |
| 05:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | Same thing. |
| 05:05 | <@Consul> | The literature I found said to open up 2070 to 2075 for DCC... |
| 05:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | Connects fine, recieves 1k of data, drops. |
| 05:05 | <@Consul> | That's obviously wrong. |
| 05:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | DCC doesn't use any fixed ports. |
| 05:05 | <@Consul> | I have to open up the whole damn machine? |
| 05:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | Configure your client to use any port range you see fit, and open/forward that port range accordingly. |
| 05:06 | <@ToxicFrog> | Settings, PReferences, File Transfers in xchat. |
| 05:06 | <@ToxicFrog> | I use 8010-8020. |
| 05:07 | <@Consul> | Okay, let's try this again... |
| 05:07 | <@Consul> | Umm, you're still demanding a different range than I can accept. |
| 05:07 | <@Consul> | Or do I need to restart xchat? |
| 05:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | What do you mean by "demanding a different range than you can accept"? |
| 05:08 | <@Consul> | The request from you is still coming in on 8010. |
| 05:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | Because that's what your client is asking for, according to the log. |
| 05:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | Although, let's double check this |
| 05:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | Rawlogging activated, try again |
| 05:09 | <@Consul> | I specifically told xchat the range I set in the router. |
| 05:11 | <@Consul> | Do I need to set a host port? |
| 05:11 | <@Consul> | I tried it both ways, and it didn't seem to help. |
| 05:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | Your DCC SEND packet actually looks very confusing |
| 05:12 | <@Consul> | I just set my firewall rule to 8010-8020 |
| 05:12 | <@Consul> | host port 8010 |
| 05:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | >> :Consul!~Consul__@Nightstar-13285.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net PRIVMSG ToxicFrog :DCC SEND "haruki.jpg" 199 0 41732 24 |
| 05:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | << PRIVMSG Consul :DCC RESUME haruki.jpg 0 5120 24 |
| 05:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | >> :Consul!~Consul__@Nightstar-13285.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net PRIVMSG ToxicFrog :DCC ACCEPT haruki.jpg 0 5120 24 |
| 05:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | << PRIVMSG Consul :DCC SEND haruki.jpg 1275758210 8010 41732 24 |
| 05:13 | <@SmithKurosaki> | What does that all mean> |
| 05:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | Among other things, your client seems to be sending 0.0.0.199 as the IP address and 0 as the portnumber |
| 05:14 | <@Consul> | Si even telling my router to match your port range, it doesn't work. |
| 05:14 | <@Consul> | Let me restart xchat |
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| 05:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | Mine counteroffers with 67.38.2.9 and port 8010, although where it gets those from I don't know |
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| 05:14 | <@SmithKurosaki> | hihi |
| 05:15 | <@Consul> | For some reason, xchat is ignoring what settings I tell it to use. |
| 05:15 | <@Consul> | Crao. |
| 05:15 | <@Consul> | Err, Crap |
| 05:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's forgotten those settings? |
| 05:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | Or it has them, but doesn't appear to be respecting them? |
| 05:16 | <@Consul> | It doesn't seem to be respecting them. |
| 05:16 | <@Consul> | Could be a bug of xchat on Windows. |
| 05:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | As far as I can tell from the rawlog, here is what happens: |
| 05:17 | <@Consul> | It's just weird how you can get 1 packet from me each time, then get dropped. |
| 05:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | - you offer a file but specify an invalid IP and port |
| 05:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | - I ask to resume from where it left off last time |
| 05:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | - you say that's cool |
| 05:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...oh, hang on, I think I see what might be happening |
| 05:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | Or at least, how this is working |
| 05:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | It looks like you offer an invalid IP and port, and my client makes a "connect to me instead" counteroffer with my IP and port |
| 05:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | Which works for one packet and then drops |
| 05:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | Let me try sending you something to make sure the problem isn't on my end |
| 05:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | Huh. |
| 05:19 | <@Consul> | Try it again... |
| 05:20 | <@Consul> | Yeah, I didn't tell it a real directory the first time. |
| 05:21 | <@Consul> | I think xchat on Win is just buggy. |
| 05:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | Could be. |
| 05:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | It could also be that I left Ethereal running, so try it again from your end |
| 05:21 | <@Consul> | I quite specifically told it the port range to use, and to grab my IP from the server. It just doesn't seem to care what I tell it. |
| 05:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | Try disabling get-ip-from-server and entering your real IP |
| 05:23 | <@Consul> | You'll have the file eventually... |
| 05:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | That seemed to work. |
| 05:24 | <@Consul> | Not from my end? |
| 05:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | So, it's not dcc in general that's buggy; it's get-ip-from-server. |
| 05:24 | <@Consul> | err, end. |
| 05:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...oh, right, I was misreading it. |
| 05:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah, that didn't work. |
| 05:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | Sigh. |
| 05:25 | <@Consul> | The sad part is, every single Windows IRC client sucks hard. |
| 05:25 | <@Consul> | This xchat for Windows is the only one I like. |
| 05:25 | <@Consul> | As buggy as it is. |
| 05:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah. |
| 05:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | Which build are you using, anyways? |
| 05:27 | <@Consul> | Every single one I've tried takes up way too much screen real estate, or handles multiple networks poorly. mIRC is just made of fail all around, in my opinion. |
| 05:27 | <@Consul> | And since DCC is a rarely-used feature, guess what that means? |
| 05:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeaaah. |
| 05:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | That said, may be worth trying DCC in a different IRC client to help determine whether the problem is xchat itself, or your network. |
| 05:30 | <@Consul> | Well, at least I wasn't bored the last half-hour. Thanks for the help. |
| 05:32 | <@SmithKurosaki> | I am bored. I am sad because I am bored. I am also sick |
| 05:33 | <@Vornicus> | Design a video game! |
| 05:33 | <@Consul> | I really want to go down to the basement and rearrange so I can finally put the vapor barrier down. |
| 05:34 | <@SmithKurosaki> | I am working on PE, but I can't really do anything that requires higher brain function atm |
| 05:34 | <@Vornicus> | PE? |
| 05:34 | <@SmithKurosaki> | Project Euler |
| 05:34 | <@Vornicus> | Aha |
| 05:34 | <@Vornicus> | we indeed have a channel specifically for that: #projecteuler |
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| 05:35 | <@SmithKurosaki> | So things like coding and making complicated/reasonable mafia posts are not available atm |
| 05:35 | <@Vornicus> | It's been quiet lately because nobody's been working on any. |
| 05:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | I generally just burble about it in here |
| 05:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | SK: catch up on your watching-of-things? |
| 05:36 | <@Consul> | I've been busy trying to figure out the coefficients to a set of FIR filters. |
| 05:36 | <@SmithKurosaki> | I don't have multiple computers to do that with atm |
| 05:36 | <@Consul> | Though not right at the moment. |
| 05:42 | <@Consul> | Man, I can't wait until I'm coding neural networks in order to calculate coefficients for 32-pole IIR filters! *eyeroll* |
| 05:43 | <@SmithKurosaki> | Well, I had a laptop and my dtop. Both laptops have dies |
| 05:43 | <@SmithKurosaki> | *Died |
| 05:46 | <@Consul> | Yay, numpy and scipy! |
| 05:48 | <@SmithKurosaki> | ?? Night, though |
| 05:49 | <@Vornicus> | Numpy and Scipy are numeric and scientific libraries for Python. |
| 05:49 | <@Consul> | Night, SmithKurosaki |
| 05:49 | <@Consul> | Or was that a goodnight? |
| 05:49 | <@Consul> | I'm confused. |
| 05:49 | <@Consul> | Which way is up? |
| 06:05 | <@Consul> | Bedtime. Night, all! |
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