| --- Log opened Sat Jun 06 00:00:01 2009 |
| --- Day changed Sat Jun 06 2009 |
| 00:00 | <@TheWatcher[zZzZ]> | yeah, that probably wouldn't work on my code |
| 00:00 | <@Derakon> | Too many mixed code-and-comment lines? |
| 00:03 | <@TheWatcher[zZzZ]> | fair number. But right now, `find . -iname '*.cgi' -or -iname '*.pm' | xargs wc -l` sets me at 5375 and `.. | xargs grep -c '#'` totals 1982.. so about 37% |
| 00:04 | <@Derakon> | I'm at 4714 total, counting dynamic modules (some of which are purely data). |
| 00:04 | < simontwo> | do any ircds today allow NUL characters to be sent? |
| 00:05 | <@Vornicus> | simontwo: Some may, I don't know hwo they behave but it can't possibly be catastrophic. |
| 00:06 | < simontwo> | Vornicus, yes it could. if IRC clients built in C aren't robust, they'll scan input as if they were internally represented strings and not binary data (minus newline). |
| 00:07 | <@TheWatcher[zZzZ]> | simontwo: RFC1459 states that "The NUL character is not special in message framing, and basically could end up inside a parameter, but as it would cause extra complexities in normal C string handling. Therefore NUL is not allowed within messages." |
| 00:07 | < simontwo> | right. thanks. |
| 00:08 | <@TheWatcher[zZzZ]> | Anyway, really slep now |
| 00:08 | <@Vornicus> | What I mean is, if you send a NUL, you shouldn't expect the thing to crash. |
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| 00:28 | <@Derakon> | Hm. Doxygen takes awhile to build. |
| 00:37 | <@Derakon> | ...and the default config file is 1514 lines long. O_o |
| 00:39 | < simontwo> | Vornicus, I'm talking about receiving a NUL. if I stop processing input lines based on sudden NULs, people are able to inject commands as if they were sent from the server. |
| 00:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | How do you figure? |
| 00:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | The origin goes at the start of the message. |
| 00:42 | < Namegduf> | Maybe if it handles NUL like a line break and keeps reading after... |
| 00:46 | < Alek> | discard everything after the NUL? |
| 00:57 | <@ToxicFrog> | If it handles NUL like a linebreak then yes, you could fake server messages, but the client would have to be pathological to do that! |
| 00:59 | <@Vornicus> | No sane IRCD is going to do it that way. |
| 01:06 | | * Derakon eyes the documentation he's writing for the Map class. |
| 01:06 | <@Derakon> | Map creation is currently an 11-step process. |
| 01:08 | <@Derakon> | 'Scuse me, 12 steps. |
| 01:45 | <@Derakon> | Okay! First pass on Map documentation done. http://derakon.dyndns.org/~chriswei/temp2/html/classmap_1_1_map.html |
| 01:58 | | * ToxicFrog bonks his head against the desk repeatedly |
| 01:58 | <@ToxicFrog> | "I feel like working on Spellcast today." |
| 01:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | "Hmm, I don't quite remember how this part of the GTK bindings works. To the website!" |
| 01:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | WEBSITE: "Hi. We've completely rewritten the gtk bindings as part of our new lgob library; lgui is deprecated and no longer maintained." |
| 01:59 | <@Derakon> | And naturally they've deleted all the old documentation? |
| 02:00 | < SmithKurosaki> | gaaaaah!!! |
| 02:00 | | * SmithKurosaki hugs ToxicFrog |
| 02:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | Derakon: no, they haven't |
| 02:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | But I don't want to keep using a deprecated library |
| 02:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | I hope they haven't significantly changed the API. |
| 02:03 | <@Derakon> | Ahh. |
| 02:03 | <@Derakon> | Idly, I'm quite impressed with Doxygen. |
| 02:04 | <@Derakon> | Didn't take long to set up and it doesn't require much in the way of magic markup in the comments themselves. |
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| 02:54 | | * Vornicus ponders. Now that he's got map rendering working. |
| 02:55 | <@Vornicus> | I need to do something else. |
| 03:15 | | * ToxicFrog bonks his head against the wall |
| 03:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | Maybe I should stick with lgui after all |
| 03:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | lgob is behaving oddly WRT interface builders and some of its submodules require GTK+ 2.16 |
| 03:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | Which is kind of problematic when the latest version in the repos is 2.14 |
| 03:18 | < SmithKurosaki> | :(\ |
| 03:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | Actually, yes |
| 03:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | I want other people to be able to run this |
| 03:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | Most people won't have GTK 2.16+, since it's very recent |
| 03:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | So, for now, I'm sticking with lgui. |
| 03:42 | < SmithKurosaki> | but then you will have a patch? also what is this for tf? |
| 03:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | Spellcast. |
| 03:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | And what do you mean, then I will have a patch? |
| 03:45 | < SmithKurosaki> | right |
| 03:45 | < SmithKurosaki> | when 2.16 is more available |
| 03:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh. |
| 03:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | Possibly. |
| 03:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | Looking at the two libs, all the function names have changed |
| 03:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | So, ;.; |
| 03:46 | < SmithKurosaki> | ahh |
| 03:46 | | * SmithKurosaki hugs |
| 03:58 | | * Vornicus pokes at his scaler. Whyyyyyy do you insist on getting it wrong? |
| 04:33 | | * ToxicFrog gnaws on his main loop/event dispatcher code |
| 04:34 | <@McMartin> | VICTORY |
| 04:34 | <@McMartin> | Now I can go home |
| 04:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | \o/ |
| 04:42 | < SmithKurosaki> | w00to/ |
| 04:42 | < SmithKurosaki> | w00t o/ |
| 05:05 | <@Vornicus> | yay |
| 05:17 | <@McMartin> | Good times. |
| 05:17 | <@McMartin> | Now I don't have to go to the office on Sunday |
| 05:17 | <@Vornicus> | Yaaaaaay |
| 05:17 | <@McMartin> | And I also now have a new work-related toy to play with |
| 05:17 | <@McMartin> | I may in fact do some work from home on Sunday just to see if I can pad my feature list for free~ |
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| 05:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | Event (de)serialization, transmission, reciept, and dispatching is now working, as is the core event loop. |
| 05:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | I now have all the tools I need to start writing the actual game logic. |
| 05:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | I think I will start with a completely trivial server that permits chat and discards all other events. |
| 05:32 | < simontwo> | which library do you use for event handling? and is this C or C++? |
| 05:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | My own coroutine/socket.select() based dispatcher, and neither, it's Lua. |
| 05:34 | < simontwo> | how much do you implement in Lua, and how much is just the foundation? |
| 05:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | The whole thing is lua, apart from the network and UI libraries, which are C (luasocket and lgui respectively). |
| 05:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | Note that this is not a realtime game. |
| 05:36 | < simontwo> | ah, didn't know there was a thing called luasocket. |
| 05:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | Blocking and nonblocking TCP, UDP, HTTP and FTP support, linux/windows/OSX. |
| 05:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | And lgui is a GTK/Glade binding. |
| 05:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | (it's been superceded by lgob.gtk, but that requires a very recent version of GTK+, so I'm sticking with lgui) |
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| 08:18 | | Derakon[AFK] is now known as Derakon |
| 08:23 | | * Derakon looks up. "Vorn: IMO you have three important things to work on: input, physics for the ball, and the fluid sim. Pick one -- I'd go with the fluid sim, personally -- and work on it." |
| 08:30 | | * Vornicus has declared fluid sim unnecessary creep. |
| 08:31 | <@Vornicus> | I'm looking at ball physics right now, boning up on kinetics and rotational stuff. |
| 08:36 | <@Derakon> | Fair enough. |
| 08:36 | <@Derakon> | The aspects of fluid sim that you could actually use (explosions being volumetric) you can do without actual fluids anyway. |
| 08:37 | <@Derakon> | Or at least without high-res ones. |
| 08:37 | <@Vornicus> | I figured out how high-res and fast my fluid sim would have to be and I went "fucksticks" and left it. |
| 08:37 | <@Derakon> | Heh. |
| 08:38 | <@Vornicus> | Also I looked at some of the fluid dynamics shit and went "further fucksticks" |
| 08:39 | <@McMartin> | Liquids are hard. |
| 08:39 | <@McMartin> | Liquids are even hard in text. |
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| 08:43 | <@Vornicus> | From what I can tell, I have to make at /least/ left and right work before I can really have a look at ball physics. |
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| 08:48 | <@Vornicus> | Actually before I get into even /that/ I need to go osmose Harvey Cartel's collision tutorial. |
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| 09:05 | <@Vornicus> | So let me see. First things fisrt I need collisions and left/right; after that I need the rest of physics. |
| 09:06 | <@UndeadAnno> | Implement Newton's laws. :P |
| 09:10 | <@Vornicus> | Oh. And before I can do /that/ I need to populate the ball, and that means more art, of a ball, that I can tell which direction it's pointed. |
| 09:18 | | * TheWatcher[zZzZ] readsup |
| 09:18 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
| 09:20 | <@McMartin> | Put a face on it. |
| 09:20 | <@McMartin> | Worked for Nyfflas |
| 09:20 | <@Vornicus> | It did, at that. |
| 09:21 | <@TheWatcher> | Dera: a lot of the doxygen config can generally be left as-is, and chunks of it only become relevant once you enable non-default output formats. you can also install 'doxywizard' which helps with configuring it quite a lot. |
| 09:26 | | * Vornicus should set up doxygen and actually figure out source control. Always gets bogged down when trying to structure the source tree, because so damn often it's a pain to change. |
| 09:27 | <@UndeadAnno> | Oh, speaking of documentation, how do I make Javadoc take the comments from a session bean and apply it to its remote interface? |
| 09:27 | | * Vornicus first, though, declares bedtime. |
| 09:37 | <@TheWatcher> | Ni Vorn |
| 09:37 | | Vornicus is now known as Vornicus-Latens |
| 09:37 | <@TheWatcher> | (and yeah, even svn with it's much-hyped ability to change the tree, is a pain in the arse if you actually need to do that most times) |
| 09:38 | <@McMartin> | (But at least it's *possible*.) |
| 09:38 | <@McMartin> | (CVS :argh:) |
| 09:38 | <@TheWatcher> | (true. Still far less sensible than it could be, though) |
| 09:39 | | * Vornicus-Latens would really like to go "this is the folder. Everything in the folder? keep track of it." |
| 09:41 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | but now seriously bedtime yes |
| 09:43 | <@TheWatcher> | Tortoisesvn kinda does that on windows, but you still need to manually tell it when you're moving files or renaming things |
| 09:43 | | * TheWatcher has occasionally pondered a VFS-level versioning system, but never has time to investigate the viability |
| 09:44 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | Meh. Windows and Mac both have event hooks for changes in a folder. |
| 10:03 | | * UndeadAnno tries to understand how one would set off a managed bean method to load up stuff into variables so they could be used in a form in JSF. |
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| 11:10 | | * TheWatcher idly <3 sed |
| 11:53 | | * TheWatcher , out of curiosity, starts writing a perl code statistics calculator |
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| 15:49 | < Orthia> | These holidays, I think I shall learn to master regex. And... hm. Depending on how well Haskell manages that stuff, I may do it in there. |
| 15:49 | < Orthia> | Alternatively, Python could do it too. |
| 15:50 | < Orthia> | I want to be able to weild a regex to go through a couple thousand files, finding unique constants from specific lines. This would be a monster of a job without a regex. With it, though... |
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| 16:23 | < simontwo> | Orthia, it sounds like you should play the regex quiz at #regex@undernet. |
| 16:23 | < simontwo> | Orthia, it has 28 levels, but after 16-17 levels the regexes you build stop being practically useful compared to how hard they are to construct. |
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| 17:32 | < jerith> | Orthia: Depending on the nature of the thing, you may want a more explicit parser rather than a regex. |
| 17:32 | < jerith> | Also, Haskell apparently has spectacularly awesome parsing stuff. |
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| 18:04 | <@ToxicFrog> | Parsec. Yes. |
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| 18:54 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | Wait, didn't McM write Parsec? |
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| 19:04 | < ToxicFrog`> | No. |
| 19:04 | < ToxicFrog`> | Unless Daan Leijen is one of his aliases. |
| 19:06 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | Huh. |
| 19:06 | | * Vornicus-Latens wonders where he got that impression. |
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| 20:09 | < gnolam> | ... and my bank is /finally/ switching to a decent security solution. |
| 20:09 | < gnolam> | It's only taken them, what, 10 years? :P |
| 20:19 | < ToxicFrog`> | I'm still waiting for mine to start using asymkey authentication ;.; |
| 20:29 | < gnolam> | Note that this is the same bank that changed its password policy to require /two/ digits in each password. Because requiring two digits in an 8-12 character password makes it twice as hard to crack as requiring one, right? :P |
| 20:30 | < gnolam> | I'd given up hope that there was anyone there with a clue. |
| 20:39 | < simontwo> | my bank uses public-key cryptography. only, it's in a way where a state-sponsored company has all the "private" keys on a central server. |
| 20:39 | < simontwo> | and authentication happens through yet another certificate through their service. it's so horrible. |
| 20:42 | < jerith> | So, a gang of us have dramatically improved test coverage on elementtree in Python. |
| 20:42 | < jerith> | Uncovering (and fixing) several bugs in the process. :-) |
| 20:50 | <@McMartin> | That's the XML library? |
| 20:57 | <@UndeadAnno> | http://i43.tinypic.com/a3nr7t.jpg |
| 21:00 | <@McMartin> | That is both messed up and some of the worst use of generics I've ever seen. |
| 21:01 | <@McMartin> | Shouldn't l1 be a List<Authors>, given that you're doing a cast *anyway* and thus have to checkcast each element anyhow? |
| 21:01 | <@UndeadAnno> | I'm encountered this in the middle of converting Authors to Users. |
| 21:02 | <@UndeadAnno> | *I've |
| 21:02 | <@McMartin> | There's a Generic Cast, which checks each downcast internally, then another downcast (albeit one that checks zero elements), then the type is erased in an iterator whose results are downcast *again* to a *different* class. |
| 21:02 | <@McMartin> | That said, it's been awhile since I've used Java generics... |
| 21:03 | <@UndeadAnno> | I don't understand what I'm doing. I got the interator-using code from someone on IRC, and it works, and I'm happy. :P |
| 21:03 | <@McMartin> | Oh, it'll work. |
| 21:03 | <@McMartin> | It's just repeating a bunch of work and throwing it away. |
| 21:04 | <@McMartin> | ... so... can't you instead replace List<Users> with List<Authors> in both places on the l1 line, define the Iterator to be an Iterator<Authors>, and thus have it.next() return you an Authors object directly without needing the cast? |
| 21:04 | <@UndeadAnno> | Er... |
| 21:04 | <@UndeadAnno> | s/Authors/Users |
| 21:04 | <@UndeadAnno> | EVERYWHERE. |
| 21:05 | <@UndeadAnno> | I had a method for Authors, now I'm changing it to Users. |
| 21:05 | <@UndeadAnno> | I screencapped in the middle. |
| 21:05 | <@McMartin> | oh. |
| 21:05 | <@McMartin> | OK, never mind~ |
| 21:05 | <@McMartin> | In that case |
| 21:05 | <@McMartin> | Iterator can take <>s as well, and when you do, Iterator.next() doesn't return Objects, but instead the type you want. |
| 21:06 | <@McMartin> | So then you can just go Users usr = it.next(); |
| 21:07 | <@UndeadAnno> | Cool. |
| 21:07 | | * UndeadAnno goes eat. |
| 21:33 | < jerith> | McMartin: It is. |
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| 23:18 | <@Derakon> | I am greatly increasing the number of comments in my code... |
| 23:18 | < jerith> | The right kinds of comment, I hope? |
| 23:18 | <@Derakon> | (I'm writing Doxygen documentation, and since it's documentation, I kinda feel like all of the member fields should be commented even if their names make them mostly self-evident) |
| 23:19 | <@Derakon> | For example, Animation.updateFunc's purpose is clear if you know you're dealing with animations and are familiar with the Animation class... |
| 23:21 | | * TheWatcher completely endorses this way of working |
| 23:22 | | * TheWatcher also eyes this, wonders why it's not picking up the #! at the start of the file correctly |
| 23:22 | | ToxicFrog` is now known as ToxicFrog |
| 23:24 | <@TheWatcher> | 'open(CODE, $file) or die "ARGH: $!\n"; local $/; my $content = <CODE>; close(CODE); my @comments = $content =~ m{((?<!\\)\#.*?)$}gm;' seems to be utterly missing the '#!/usr/bin/perl -WT' in the first line |
| 23:34 | | * ToxicFrog comes up with a horrible Haskell solution to PE #5 |
| 23:35 | < ToxicFrog> | head [ x | x <- [1..], [] == [ y | y <- [11..20], mod x y /= 0]] |
| 23:35 | < ToxicFrog> | I'm not sure what the performance characteristics are, it's still running~ |
| 23:36 | | * TheWatcher facepalms, remembers to reset pos |
| 23:46 | < ToxicFrog> | Still running. |
| --- Log closed Sun Jun 07 00:00:49 2009 |