| --- Log opened Sun Apr 19 00:00:34 2009 |
| 00:35 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
| 00:38 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[zZzZ] |
| 01:47 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Vornicus: actually, it's usually 80 bit on x87, although SSE2 apparently has some tricks to get real 64-bit |
| 02:00 | < Rhamphoryncus> | ahh, finally found an explicit claim. It is indeed the mantissa that x87 can reduce down, and the exponent that's permanently the larger size |
| 02:02 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Double precision actually gets you 1+15+52=68 bit, rather than 1+11+52=64 bit |
| 02:59 | | gnolam [lenin@Nightstar-1382.A163.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Z?] |
| 03:59 | <@Derakon> | Mmph...I've solved about 15 PE problems today. I think I'm about done. ¬.¬ |
| 06:02 | | Syloqs-AFH [Syloq@ServicesAdmin.Nightstar.Net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] |
| 06:22 | | GeekSoldier [~Rob@Nightstar-8573.midstate.ip.cablemo.net] has quit [Ping Timeout] |
| 06:50 | | GeekSoldier [~Rob@Nightstar-8573.midstate.ip.cablemo.net] has joined #code |
| 06:50 | | mode/#code [+o GeekSoldier] by ChanServ |
| 07:43 | | Derakon is now known as Derakon[AFK] |
| 08:22 | | ToxicFrog [~ToxicFrog@Admin.Nightstar.Net] has quit [Ping Timeout] |
| 08:22 | | SmithKurosaki [~jess@Nightstar-24858.acanac.net] has quit [Ping Timeout] |
| 08:29 | | ToxicFrog [~ToxicFrog@Admin.Nightstar.Net] has joined #code |
| 08:29 | | mode/#code [+o ToxicFrog] by ChanServ |
| 08:56 | | AnnoDomini [~farkoff@Nightstar-29746.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Code |
| 08:56 | | mode/#code [+o AnnoDomini] by ChanServ |
| 09:30 | | Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@Nightstar-7184.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] |
| 10:06 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
| 10:11 | | Reiver [~reaverta@Admin.Nightstar.Net] has quit [Quit: Reblooting.] |
| 10:18 | | Reiver [~reaverta@Admin.Nightstar.Net] has joined #Code |
| 10:18 | | mode/#code [+o Reiver] by ChanServ |
| 10:19 | | Vornicus [Vornicus@Admin.Nightstar.Net] has quit [Quit: ] |
| 10:38 | | SmithKurosaki [~jess@Nightstar-24858.acanac.net] has joined #code |
| 11:00 | | mode/#code [+o TheWatcher] by Reiver |
| 11:34 | | gnolam [lenin@Nightstar-1382.A163.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #Code |
| 11:34 | | mode/#code [+o gnolam] by ChanServ |
| 13:13 | | crem [~moo@Nightstar-28703.adsl.mgts.by] has joined #code |
| 15:45 | | * TheWatcher arghs vaguely at session code |
| 16:04 | | Syloqs_AFH [Syloq@Admin.Nightstar.Net] has joined #code |
| 16:05 | | Syloqs_AFH is now known as Syloqs-AFH |
| 17:03 | | ToxicFrog [~ToxicFrog@Admin.Nightstar.Net] has quit [Operation timed out] |
| 17:33 | <@TheWatcher> | Ah, sod. I'm going to have to rewrite all this from scratch... |
| 17:46 | | Derakon[AFK] is now known as Derakon |
| 17:47 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[afk] |
| 18:00 | | ToxicFrog [~ToxicFrog@Admin.Nightstar.Net] has joined #code |
| 18:00 | | mode/#code [+o ToxicFrog] by ChanServ |
| 18:12 | | Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@Nightstar-7184.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #code |
| 18:26 | | Netsplit DeepThought.NY.US.Nightstar.Net <-> Troika.TX.US.Nightstar.Net quits: MyCatVerbs, EvilDarkLord, KarmaBot, Rhamphoryncus, @gnolam, @C_tiger, @AnnoDomini, @jerith, @Reiver, PinkFreud, (+2 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) |
| 18:29 | | Netsplit over, joins: MyCatVerbs |
| 18:29 | | mode/#code [+o MyCatVerbs] by ChanServ |
| 18:34 | | Reiver [~reaverta@Nightstar-22465.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #Code |
| 18:34 | | mode/#code [+o Reiver] by ChanServ |
| 18:39 | | AnnoDomini [~farkoff@Nightstar-29746.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Code |
| 18:39 | | mode/#code [+o AnnoDomini] by ChanServ |
| 18:40 | | C_tiger [~cheng@Nightstar-5625.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #Code |
| 18:40 | | PinkFreud [~WhyNot@Admin.Nightstar.Net] has joined #Code |
| 18:40 | | KarmaBot [AnnoDomini@Nightstar-29746.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Code |
| 18:40 | | SmithKurosaki [~jess@Nightstar-24858.acanac.net] has joined #Code |
| 18:40 | | gnolam [lenin@Nightstar-1382.A163.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #Code |
| 18:40 | | EvilDarkLord [~jjlehto3@Nightstar-9591.cs.hut.fi] has joined #Code |
| 18:40 | | ServerMode/#code [+o C_tiger] by Blargh.CA.US.Nightstar.Net |
| 18:40 | | mode/#code [+o gnolam] by ChanServ |
| 18:40 | | ServerMode/#code [-oooooo AnnoDomini Reiver MyCatVerbs ToxicFrog GeekSoldier Consul] by Blargh.CA.US.Nightstar.Net |
| 18:40 | | ServerMode/#code [-oooo Doctor_Nick Derakon TheWatcher[afk] McMartin] by Blargh.CA.US.Nightstar.Net |
| 18:40 | | mode/#code [-o C_tiger] by ChanServ |
| 18:40 | | mode/#code [+o AnnoDomini] by ChanServ |
| 18:40 | | mode/#code [+o Reiver] by ChanServ |
| 18:40 | | mode/#code [+o MyCatVerbs] by ChanServ |
| 18:40 | | mode/#code [+o ToxicFrog] by ChanServ |
| 18:40 | | mode/#code [+o GeekSoldier] by ChanServ |
| 18:40 | | mode/#code [+o Consul] by ChanServ |
| 18:40 | | mode/#code [+o Doctor_Nick] by ChanServ |
| 18:40 | | mode/#code [+o Derakon] by ChanServ |
| 18:40 | | mode/#code [+o McMartin] by ChanServ |
| 18:41 | | EvilDarkLord is now known as NSGuest-558 |
| 18:41 | | C_tiger is now known as NSGuest-560 |
| 18:51 | | Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@Nightstar-7184.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #code |
| 19:17 | | Alek [~omegaboot@Nightstar-5734.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #code |
| 19:28 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
| 19:29 | | mode/#code [+o TheWatcher] by ChanServ |
| 19:30 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[afk] |
| 19:31 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
| 19:46 | <@AnnoDomini> | How do you set boolean fields using SQL? |
| 19:46 | <@AnnoDomini> | TRUE and FALSE? |
| 19:47 | | Vornicus [Vornicus@Admin.Nightstar.Net] has joined #code |
| 19:47 | | mode/#code [+o Vornicus] by ChanServ |
| 19:49 | <@TheWatcher> | TRUE/true/1/FALSE/false/0 should work |
| 19:51 | | * AnnoDomini tries to remember the date format now. |
| 19:51 | <@TheWatcher> | ISO8601 should work normally |
| 19:51 | <@AnnoDomini> | YYYY/MM/DD should work, rite? |
| 19:52 | <@TheWatcher> | YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS |
| 19:52 | <@AnnoDomini> | Thank you. |
| 19:55 | <@gnolam> | There is no date format but YYYY-MM-DD, and ISO 8601 is its prophet. |
| 19:56 | <@AnnoDomini> | I am intrigued and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. |
| 19:57 | | * AnnoDomini thinks. What's the probability that any software I make now will still be used in 3000 AD? |
| 19:58 | <@AnnoDomini> | Though, no. I don't think that will work. |
| 19:58 | <@Vornicus> | What are we working on here? |
| 19:59 | <@AnnoDomini> | I don't want to revise my database again, so I've got to figure out how to say "the book has been borrowed but hasn't been returned yet" with just when_out, when_in, and when_expected. |
| 19:59 | <@AnnoDomini> | Maybe set when_in to Jesus' birthday? :P |
| 19:59 | <@Derakon> | when_out IS NOT NULL and when_in IS NULL |
| 19:59 | <@AnnoDomini> | Hmm. |
| 20:00 | <@AnnoDomini> | Thanks, that works better, I think. |
| 20:00 | <@AnnoDomini> | I think I let that field be null, anyway, so it's all good. |
| 20:05 | <@AnnoDomini> | I'm sorta glad this thing is done with Java. I won't have to fuck around so much with making sure dates are handled correctly. |
| 20:08 | <@AnnoDomini> | Figuring out what the hell I'm doing will be a pain. I don't really like having stuff handled automatically that I don't understand, and here pretty much everything but writing methods will have to be. |
| 20:41 | <@gnolam> | Pah! |
| 20:41 | <@gnolam> | Silly image handling programs. |
| 20:41 | <@gnolam> | They choke on a little 21600x21600 bitmap. |
| 20:41 | <@Derakon> | Use ImageMagick~ |
| 21:04 | | gnolam [lenin@Nightstar-1382.A163.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Reboot] |
| 21:06 | | gnolam [lenin@Nightstar-1382.A163.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #Code |
| 21:06 | | mode/#code [+o gnolam] by ChanServ |
| 22:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | What Derakon said. |
| 22:43 | | Consul [~consul@Nightstar-1864.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] |
| 22:55 | <@McMartin> | 12:05 <@AnnoDomini> I'm sorta glad this thing is done with Java. I won't have to fuck around so much with making sure dates are handled correctly. |
| 22:55 | <@McMartin> | 12:08 <@AnnoDomini> Figuring out what the hell I'm doing will be a pain. I don't really like having stuff handled automatically that I don't understand, and here pretty much everything but writing methods will have to be. |
| 22:55 | <@McMartin> | Java's Calendar class is insanely awesome, and IIRC also handles lunar calendars and pre-Gregorian. |
| 22:56 | <@McMartin> | (I'm not sure about the lunar calendars, but it *does* have a defined constant for Undecimber, which is Month 13.) |
| 22:56 | <@AnnoDomini> | Those two lines are, uh, unrelated. I can understand what is happening in the date class, even if I can't see the specifics. |
| 22:56 | <@McMartin> | OK. |
| 22:57 | <@McMartin> | Well, almost. |
| 22:57 | <@McMartin> | Date isn't quite as awesome as Calendar. |
| 22:57 | <@McMartin> | And in fact I thought Date was deprecated for exactly that reason, unless I'm confused... |
| 22:57 | <@McMartin> | Which I might be, since it's been over a year since I've done that kind of data processing with it. |
| 22:57 | <@AnnoDomini> | The second line was aimed at using a Java IDE for a multi-part project. |
| 22:58 | | * AnnoDomini has to make a multi-level database-using thingie that has a JSF user interface. |
| 22:58 | <@McMartin> | Aha. |
| 22:58 | <@McMartin> | JSF is a buzzword I don't know |
| 22:59 | <@AnnoDomini> | Java Server Faces. |
| 22:59 | <@AnnoDomini> | It's like JSP Plus or something. |
| 22:59 | <@McMartin> | Also, Date is for system times/timestamps/etc, it looks like, while Calendar is for representing actual days and human-scale times. |
| 22:59 | <@McMartin> | Aha. |
| 22:59 | <@McMartin> | JSPs were the wrong answer to the right problem and they make a handy component for better solutions. |
| 23:00 | <@McMartin> | And even being wrong they're still a thousand times better than the most popular solution. |
| 23:00 | <@McMartin> | I'll take a JSP nightmare over a PHP app any day. >_< |
| 23:01 | <@AnnoDomini> | Anyways. This thing takes running the application server, the web server, the database server; is distributed into three subprojects; and it's full of things I don't begin to understand. |
| 23:01 | <@AnnoDomini> | Nonetheless, reverse-engineering from an example from a programmer's personal wiki, I managed to get my own project to compile and start. |
| 23:02 | <@McMartin> | You *should* be able to treat Tomcat and friends as if they're "the OS" for something like this, I think. |
| 23:02 | <@McMartin> | There's going to be voodoo, but these days there's voodoo for setting up a DirectX application or whatnot too, so =/ |
| 23:02 | <@AnnoDomini> | Now if I'd only understand how to format the persistence.xml file, which seems to be wrong... |
| 23:02 | <@AnnoDomini> | Yeah, Netbeans does the legwork for me. |
| 23:03 | <@McMartin> | One of the things IE is actually good at is making XML look sensible. |
| 23:03 | <@AnnoDomini> | This is what I object to - I have precious little clue what's happening behind my back. |
| 23:03 | <@McMartin> | Yeah. I'm saying that's not limited to fancy IDEs anymore. |
| 23:03 | <@AnnoDomini> | Mhm. |
| 23:04 | <@McMartin> | I program Windows at the Kernel32.dll/user32.dll level and I have the same experience. |
| 23:04 | <@McMartin> | (Oh god, CreateProcessExW) |
| 23:26 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
| 23:35 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[zZzZ] |
| 23:39 | <@AnnoDomini> | This has got me stumped. I'd like to use my own database from the gods-damned PostgreSQL server that took so long to set up. But I can't, because I don't understand how the persistence.xml file works - using one from the tutorial, I'm able to use a sample database pre-installed into NetBeans. |
| 23:39 | <@AnnoDomini> | Grrr. |
| 23:41 | <@McMartin> | Blar. I know how to do that with raw JDBC, but that doesn't really help you. |
| 23:44 | <@AnnoDomini> | The data source is identified as 'jdbc/sample'. I assume it's some name (JNDI?) for the full JDBC setup somewhere else. How do I set a similar thing for my own connection (I have it in the services tab). |
| 23:44 | <@AnnoDomini> | *? |
| 23:45 | <@AnnoDomini> | http://pastie.org/451816 <- Here's the file that works with the sample database. |
| 23:46 | <@McMartin> | OK, I'm used to there being some class that is "The JDBC driver" and passing that class name as a string to an initializer. |
| 23:47 | <@McMartin> | I see nothing equivalent there, sorry. =/ |
| 23:48 | <@McMartin> | In other news, Parsec continues to be awesome. Too bad I don't have anything actually worthwhile to do with it. |
| 23:48 | <@AnnoDomini> | I'll go look at the services thing more. Maybe there's some kind of submenu where I can set things. |
| 23:48 | <@Vornicus> | Parsec? What's that, a Lua-based parser library? |
| 23:49 | <@McMartin> | Haskell-based. |
| 23:50 | <@Vornicus> | ah |
| 23:50 | <@McMartin> | Monadic Parser Combinators. |
| 23:50 | <@Vornicus> | I think my favorite language project name is still "unladen swallow" |
| 23:50 | <@McMartin> | ? |
| 23:51 | <@Vornicus> | It's a project to vastly increase the speed of the Python terp. |
| 23:51 | <@McMartin> | A...ha. |
| 23:51 | <@McMartin> | And yeah, I'm given to understand the python terp is pretty terrible. |
| 23:52 | | * AnnoDomini wonders how to stop a running project in NetBeans. So far I've been closing and opening whenever I need to modify things. |
| 23:56 | | KBot [~karma.bot@Nightstar-29619.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Code |
| 23:56 | | AnnoDomini [~farkoff@Nightstar-29746.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping Timeout] |
| 23:58 | | KarmaBot [AnnoDomini@Nightstar-29746.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping Timeout] |
| 23:59 | | KBot is now known as KarmaBot |
| --- Log closed Mon Apr 20 00:00:49 2009 |