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| --- Day changed Sun Apr 05 2009 |
| 00:00 | <@Vornicus> | wtf are you doing now? |
| 00:02 | <@Consul> | Oh, it's no big deal. In fact, I highly doubt it's even original. |
| 00:02 | <@Consul> | But TDWTF really, really hate so-called "expert systems" and such enterprisey things. |
| 00:03 | <@Consul> | You know, the idea being to write an app that allows people to define their own processes using a simple text language. |
| 00:03 | <@Consul> | Only in the end, you just make a highly inefficient and buggy programming language. |
| 00:04 | <@Consul> | In the audio world, if you want to make a general purpose DSP engine, you make it graph based, which works extremely well. |
| 00:04 | <@Consul> | So I got to thinking, instead of DSP routines, why couldn't the blocks in a graph be business or money related? |
| 00:05 | <@Consul> | So business processes could be drawn as flowcharts, basically, and then a user interface built on top. |
| 00:05 | <@Consul> | But like I said, I'm 100% certain it's been done. |
| 00:07 | <@Consul> | But if I want to play around with making a graph-based programming interface, something like that might be easier to do than trying to create a real-time DSP engine. |
| 00:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | That kind of thing has in fact been done, although I'm not sure it's been done for the purpose you describe. |
| 00:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | The default Lego Mindstorms programming interface, for example. |
| 00:08 | <@Consul> | Well, graph-based interfaces are also the norm in special effects, especially compositing. |
| 00:09 | <@Consul> | I've seen image editing programs that use graphs, too. |
| 00:09 | <@Consul> | You can essentially code up custom filters using some building blocks. |
| 00:10 | <@Consul> | Again, as is usual for me, I'll probably not try to do anything with this. |
| 00:11 | <@Consul> | Though maybe I should, then I can sell it as a huge ERP system for $10,000 a server and retire. |
| 00:16 | <@Consul> | I just need to learn how to speak Buzzword so I can make the sales. |
| 00:23 | <@Consul> | And it needs a name in all caps that involves the word "graph", which makes a good buzzword to the non-technical. |
| 00:23 | <@Consul> | INTERGRAPH or GRAPHERGY or something like that. :-) |
| 00:23 | <@Vornicus> | More graph than your body has room for? |
| 00:24 | <@Consul> | Or I can try to be cute and call it Wyatt ERP or something like that. :-) |
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| 03:01 | <@McMartin> | Heh. For all that Haskell binaries are bloated as Hell, the incremental bloat is tiny. |
| 03:01 | <@McMartin> | Normally, you'd expect linking in an insanely general parser library to cost less than, say, linking in atoi. |
| 03:01 | <@McMartin> | Er, to cost *more* |
| 03:12 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Yeah, one day they might even implement dynamic linking for the RTS, and all the binaries will suddenly become dinky, ish. |
| 03:13 | <@MyCatVerbs> | I think the optimizer is clever enough to turn most invocations of Parsec into good machine code, rather than heinous term-algebra-manipulating stuff. |
| 03:13 | <@MyCatVerbs> | I've never actually tried looking at the -ddump-simpl output, though. |
| 03:14 | <@MyCatVerbs> | If you ever get real curious about how the optimizer works on your code, grab ghc-core from Hackage. (cabal install ghc-core should Just Work, hopefully) |
| 03:19 | <@McMartin> | While you're here |
| 03:19 | <@McMartin> | How do I turn an Int into an Integer? |
| 03:19 | <@MyCatVerbs> | fromIntegral. |
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| 03:20 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Please, join #haskell on freenode. :) |
| 03:20 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Also, http://www.haskell.org/hoogle/ <- Hoogle has a better memory than I do. |
| 03:22 | <@McMartin> | Heh. I'll swing in once I finish messing with this (and after dinner). |
| 03:22 | | * McMartin is messing around with the Scheme tutorial in Haskell at the moment. |
| 03:23 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Hoogle's real damn handy, in that you just give it a type signature and it picks the nearest thing out that it knows of from the standard libraries. Or ":(" if it can't come up with anything. |
| 03:24 | <@McMartin> | My own search had found GHC.Integer.smallInteger, which was Not The Right Thing. |
| 03:25 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Oh dear no. Anything under GHC.* is at least one of: nonstandard, unsafe, allowed to be changed at any whim of either of the Simons, etc. |
| 03:28 | <@McMartin> | Yeah. Not to mention that it can't be imported. =P |
| 03:31 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Oh it can. It's just hidden by default. You can use ghc-pkg to open it up. |
| 03:31 | <@MyCatVerbs> | You perhaps shouldn't, though. It's all fun stuff anyway. |
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| 03:39 | < Alek> | once my windows has been invalidated by a blocked key... how long do I have before it stops working? |
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| 03:46 | <@Consul> | Something about Flash video is causing my Linux machine to completely lock up. |
| 03:46 | <@Consul> | Strange. |
| 03:55 | <@Consul> | But then, FC10 has been very unstable for the past 6 weeks. |
| 03:55 | <@Consul> | It started going haywire on my sister's machine at about the same time, too. |
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| 13:29 | | * AnnoDomini scratches head. When doing stuff on an array made of class instances, I have to use ->, right? |
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| 17:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | Ok, what the fuck |
| 17:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | #!/bin/bash |
| 17:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | alias lines='{ while read line; do set -- $line;' |
| 17:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | find | lines ... |
| 17:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | Returns "line 3: lines: command not found" |
| 17:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh, I see |
| 17:21 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Aren't aliases only expanded when they come up at the start of a line? |
| 17:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | No, lines works fine in interactive mode. |
| 17:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | Anyways, you need to shopt -s expand_aliases |
| 17:27 | <@MyCatVerbs> | That is handy to know, but I still prefer to stick with the things that work with pure sh rather than bash-isms, most of the time. |
| 17:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | All of my systems have bash installed. |
| 17:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | And if I stuck to pure sh I would go insane. |
| 17:50 | <@MyCatVerbs> | I've had... brushes, with being stuck with pure sh. |
| 17:50 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Well, choice of pure sh or tcsh. |
| 17:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | This is a one-off script to help me sort my horrible disorganized "game-related stuff" directory from two systems ago, so |
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| 20:13 | | * AnnoDomini ponders. |
| 20:16 | <@AnnoDomini> | Prolog. I have a list of 2-element lists. First element of the 2-element list is a Name, the second is a Number. I have a predicate that removes all elements of a base list with a matching Name. I have a predicate that sums the Numbers of elements with matching Names. |
| 20:18 | <@AnnoDomini> | I have to come up with a way to take a list of 2-element lists, with possible duplicates, and return a list without duplicates. So something like [[foo,1],[bar,2],[foo,3]] would turn into [[foo,4],[bar,2]]. |
| 20:21 | | * AnnoDomini thinks hard. |
| 20:30 | <@AnnoDomini> | Jesus H. Christ. If I didn't just write this code myself, I'd never make heads or tails of it. |
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| 20:35 | <@AnnoDomini> | Yay, it works! |
| 20:36 | <@AnnoDomini> | Now for the other part of the thingie, which is collecting everything from a tree-like structure. |
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| --- Log closed Sun Apr 05 21:23:06 2009 |
| --- Log opened Sun Apr 05 21:26:12 2009 |
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| 21:32 | | * AnnoDomini makes good use of the division method for solving problems. |
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| 22:18 | <@gnolam> | "Send in the army"? |
| 22:19 | <@AnnoDomini> | No. Divide a big problem into smaller problems. |
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| 23:09 | <@AnnoDomini> | They really need to invent better batteries/power sources for laptops. |
| 23:09 | <@AnnoDomini> | As it is, my laptop is more like a portable desktop than anything else. |
| 23:11 | <@AnnoDomini> | Not plugged in, the screen is dark, computations take longer, wifi rarely works and it lasts for only about three hours - at best. |
| 23:36 | <@Attilla> | Link it to your bloodstream to drain the life from you to power it. |
| 23:37 | <@AnnoDomini> | I am reminded of hate-powered jetpacks. |
| 23:37 | <@Attilla> | (not literally, I mean more in a hydroelectric fashion) |
| 23:37 | <@Attilla> | Or I guess piezoelectric is easier than putting little turbines in your blood |
| 23:38 | <@Attilla> | And have it work off your pulse |
| 23:50 | <@Vornicus> | I want guns. Plural. |
| 23:50 | <@Vornicus> | Floating around me. |
| 23:50 | <@Vornicus> | Controlled by murder thoughts. |
| 23:50 | <@AnnoDomini> | An admirable wish. |
| 23:54 | <@AnnoDomini> | Huh. I hear Dave Arneson's not doing well. |
| --- Log closed Mon Apr 06 00:00:08 2009 |