| --- Log opened Fri Jan 23 00:00:01 2009 |
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| 03:30 | <@Reiver> | How do I go up and down levels in DF? |
| 03:30 | <@Derakon> | < and > |
| 03:31 | | * simontwo is playing with git and is enjoying it. |
| 03:33 | | * Derakon replaces "rank" with "loop" in the highscores, adds a listing of the patterns in a course to the main menu. |
| 03:33 | <@Derakon> | The annoying thing here is that I know that that listing will break when someone makes a lengthy course (there's room for maybe six pattern names), but there's no convenient way to say "Render this text, and put a linebreak in if it ends up too wide". |
| 03:36 | <@McMartin> | Oh, that reminds me |
| 03:36 | <@McMartin> | I already can't see my multiplier |
| 03:37 | <@Derakon> | ...how did I not notice that? ;.; |
| 03:37 | <@simontwo> | are you testing your game, Derakon? |
| 03:37 | <@Derakon> | Fixed. |
| 03:37 | <@Derakon> | It's a continual process, Simon, so yes. |
| 03:37 | <@Derakon> | If you have a Mac, or a Linux box with pygame installed, you can check it out. |
| 03:38 | <@simontwo> | Derakon, it's cool that you keep it up. I have an unhealthy tendency to jump between things. |
| 03:38 | <@Derakon> | (dryly) I'm doing my best to resist that urg. |
| 03:38 | <@simontwo> | I have a Linux with pygame, but my OpenGL driver isn't properly configured. |
| 03:38 | <@Derakon> | s/urg/urge/ |
| 03:38 | <@Derakon> | Software rendering should work. http://derakon.dyndns.org/~chriswei/temp/bulletml9.tgz |
| 03:38 | <@McMartin> | Software rendering does indeed work. |
| 03:39 | <@McMartin> | Also, a Windows box with pygame installed will run it too~ |
| 03:39 | <@Derakon> | Awesome. |
| 03:39 | <@McMartin> | It's harder to extract it, though, since .tgz doesn't have handy decoders |
| 03:39 | <@Derakon> | Ahh, yes. Windows, land of the .zip. |
| 03:40 | <@Derakon> | (I'd be seriously amused if the only difference between the Mac and Windows versions of the game was the compression algorithm used, but I doubt that'd actually happen) |
| 03:41 | <@simontwo> | McMartin, I think WinZip will let you extract the .tar file and subsequently, by opening the .tar file, let you extract the files within it. but it doesn't know how to handle both tar and gzip simultaneously. |
| 03:41 | <@Derakon> | Well, ".tgz" is simply short for ".tar.gz". |
| 03:42 | <@Derakon> | So you could rename the file, and then deal with the two algorithms separately. |
| 03:42 | <@simontwo> | I think WinZip will still just see it as *something* being gzipped, not caring what it is. |
| 03:43 | | * McMartin just uses bsdtar |
| 03:48 | <@MyCatVerbs> | On Windows, 7zip for the win. |
| 03:49 | <@McMartin> | Can 7zip eat rars? |
| 03:49 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Small, open-source, AFAIK fast enough, reads and writes zip and tarballs. Not sure abotu rar. |
| 03:50 | <@MyCatVerbs> | *about, even. |
| 03:50 | <@simontwo> | McMartin, 7zip probably supports the most formats. |
| 03:50 | <@McMartin> | Yeah, but rar is proprietary. >_< |
| 03:50 | <@MyCatVerbs> | *checks* Yes it does. |
| 03:50 | <@McMartin> | nice |
| 03:50 | <@simontwo> | it's nice that it does because then you're not stuck with WinRAR just to have .rar support. |
| 03:51 | <@Derakon> | What's so great about .rar, anyway? |
| 03:51 | <@simontwo> | Derakon, nothing. people just use it occasionally. |
| 03:51 | <@Derakon> | Ah. |
| 03:51 | <@Derakon> | I'll stick to gzip and bzip2, then. |
| 03:52 | <@simontwo> | ditto. |
| 03:52 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Derakon: better compression than PKzip. Not sure how it compares to bz2. AFAIK 7z beats it, though. |
| 03:53 | <@MyCatVerbs> | I bet rzip will murder if it you can find big enough piles of files. :) |
| 03:53 | <@Derakon> | Mainly I just want to be able to do 'tar -cjvf foo.tbz2 directoryname'. |
| 04:03 | | * Derakon waughs at the minefield pattern, which is still bloody hard. ;.; |
| 04:23 | <@simontwo> | Derakon, for portability, #!/usr/bin/env python2.5 |
| 04:24 | <@McMartin> | That is not portable |
| 04:24 | <@McMartin> | env is not in a standard location across distros either. ;_; |
| 04:24 | <@simontwo> | so how about #! env python2.5? :P |
| 04:24 | <@McMartin> | Don't you still need absolute paths? |
| 04:24 | <@McMartin> | The best you can hope for is to use the installtools, and then it breaks on Mac and Windows. |
| 04:25 | <@simontwo> | I could be wrong. still, python2.5 isn't always in /usr/local either. |
| 04:25 | <@McMartin> | No, it's not. |
| 04:25 | <@McMartin> | But you can say "python whatever" as your first line |
| 04:25 | <@McMartin> | And if you use the instutils all the extra data goes into /usr/local/share/&c and you don't have to be anywhere in particular |
| 04:26 | <@Derakon> | The game already includes the interpreter along with everything else -- it's a Mac program. Hence the .app. |
| 04:27 | <@McMartin> | Likewise for windows. |
| 04:27 | <@McMartin> | But there is, ANAICT, no way to package a python app for tri-platform usage without packaging it three ways independently. |
| 04:27 | | * Derakon nods. |
| 04:28 | <@Derakon> | There's py2app for Mac, py2exe for Windows, and for Linux I guess you just do it manually. |
| 04:28 | <@McMartin> | instutils. |
| 04:28 | <@McMartin> | Since no two Linux builds agree on where things go, but all agree that it's Not What The Mac Wants. |
| 04:28 | <@Derakon> | Heh. |
| 04:29 | <@McMartin> | Though it will accept it, and is *usually* the way to go for CLI Mac apps like Ophis. |
| 04:29 | <@Derakon> | I'm not familiar with instutils, and neither is Google. |
| 04:29 | <@McMartin> | I may have misremembered its name |
| 04:29 | <@McMartin> | It's a Python setup-making library that's part of the standard library. |
| 04:29 | <@McMartin> | py2exe extends it |
| 04:29 | <@Derakon> | Ahh, cool. |
| 04:30 | <@McMartin> | But it's basically a series of lists that are "This is the bit that goes in $PREFIX/share, these are the bits that go in $PREFIX/lib, these are the bits that go in $PREFIX/bin" |
| 04:31 | <@Derakon> | ...I hadn't considered doing a system-level install on Linux. |
| 04:32 | <@Derakon> | Courses and patterns would have to go somewhere global with global write access...in /var maybe? |
| 04:33 | <@McMartin> | Courses and patterns go in /usr/share. |
| 04:33 | <@McMartin> | Or /usr/local/share |
| 04:34 | <@Derakon> | I never did get a good handle on the official uses for some of the root-level directories. |
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| 19:42 | < frasca1> | ciao |
| 19:43 | < frasca1> | list |
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| 22:39 | < Searh> | Has McM been recently active? And did he file an away msg? |
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| 23:07 | <@McMartin> | I generally don't |
| 23:08 | <@McMartin> | I'm also generally most active between 9 PM and Midnight, Pacific Time. |
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