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| 00:03 | <@McMartin> | (RE: earlier) Yeah, ML, and ^ is string concatenation. |
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| 03:25 | | * McMartin contends with NSIS |
| 03:28 | | * McMartin is victorious |
| 03:30 | <@McMartin> | http://hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu/~mcmartin/ophis/Ophis-1.0-win32-installer.exe |
| 03:31 | <@McMartin> | Unix distutils version will be forthcoming later. |
| 03:37 | < Reiver> | What is it for? |
| 03:37 | < Reiver> | (And/or does the casual observer want to run it?) |
| 03:38 | <@McMartin> | It's the cross-assembler I've been working on and maintaining for the past five years. |
| 03:38 | <@McMartin> | Finally properly documented, debugged, and with all the features I wanted. |
| 03:38 | <@McMartin> | So I'm kicking it up to 1.0 and making distributions. |
| 03:38 | <@McMartin> | So, the casual observer probably doesn't care unless he wants to take up C64 programming. |
| 03:38 | < Reiver> | Ah! |
| 03:39 | < Reiver> | Nonetheless, extremely Nifteh. |
| 03:41 | <@McMartin> | http://hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu/~mcmartin/ophis/ophismanual.pdf worked better than I thought. |
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| 05:46 | | * McMartin flails at distutils. |
| 05:46 | | * McMartin then heads home. |
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| 08:29 | <@McMartin> | http://hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu/~mcmartin/ophis/ is done. |
| 08:29 | | * McMartin ticks that off the list. |
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| 08:44 | <@AnnoDomini> | Hm. I wonder if this idea'll work. |
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| 08:51 | <@AnnoDomini> | Incidentally, it's the same switch we used for the temporary LAN in Attilla's house. It is even affixed to its position the same way - with duct tape. :p |
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| 12:59 | < Reiver> | pft |
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| 21:21 | | * MahalAtWork prods the Coders for *gark* windows help |
| 21:22 | <@MahalAtWork> | or at least, help interpreting a document. |
| 21:22 | <@MahalAtWork> | Mostly, I can't work out the context of this 'help' line. |
| 21:22 | <@MahalAtWork> | I alsways have problems with this, I don't know why but I have Issues parsing. |
| 21:23 | <@MahalAtWork> | (Context: The psexec tool from sysinternals.com) |
| 21:23 | <@MahalAtWork> | Usage: psexec [\\computer[,computer2[,...] | @file][-u user [-p psswd]][-n s][-l |
| 21:23 | <@MahalAtWork> | ][-s|-e][-x][-i [session]][-c [-f|-v]][-w directory][-d][-<priority>][-a n,n,... |
| 21:23 | <@MahalAtWork> | ] cmd [arguments] |
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| 21:27 | < DreadPirate> | someone need help with a windows script? |
| 21:27 | < GeekSoldier> | bracketed statements are optional. |
| 21:28 | < GeekSoldier> | this one seems to be nested kind of strangely, though. |
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| 21:29 | < GeekSoldier|bed> | though without knowing what the switches mean, I cannot help much further. I am sorry. |
| 21:29 | <@MahalAtWork> | Mee. |
| 21:29 | <@MahalAtWork> | Well |
| 21:29 | <@MahalAtWork> | I would post the entire not-very-helpful-file, but I lack a website capability to do this from at work. |
| 21:30 | <@MahalAtWork> | unless you want me to flood channel. |
| 21:30 | <@MahalAtWork> | (FYI, it can be downloaded free from sysinternals.com |
| 21:30 | < GeekSoldier|bed> | i doubt it's necessary. |
| 21:30 | <@MahalAtWork> | Short version: I want to run \\servername\directory\script on a remote machine. |
| 21:30 | <@MahalAtWork> | which psexec should allow me to do |
| 21:30 | <@MahalAtWork> | I just can't figure out how to phrase the command. |
| 21:31 | <@MahalAtWork> | (and then get the output) |
| 21:32 | < DreadPirate> | hmm |
| 21:32 | < DreadPirate> | that is a bit difficult |
| 21:32 | < GeekSoldier|bed> | will you need to supply username/password? |
| 21:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | I think it would be something like: |
| 21:33 | < GeekSoldier|bed> | psexec \\remote -c batchfile |
| 21:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | psexec \\servername@drive:\directory\script -u usename -p password script arg1 arg2 arg3... |
| 21:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh, wait |
| 21:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | No, that's a |... |
| 21:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | psexec //server -u name -p password drive:/path/to/script args... |
| 21:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | One would think it would come with a man page of some form, though |
| 21:34 | <@MahalAtWork> | It does. |
| 21:34 | <@MahalAtWork> | but not a terribly helpful one. |
| 21:34 | <@MahalAtWork> | it tells me what all the switches do. |
| 21:35 | <@MahalAtWork> | which I can spam, ifyou like? |
| 21:35 | < DreadPirate> | psexec \\marklap ipconfig /all |
| 21:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | PM it? |
| 21:35 | < GeekSoldier|bed> | tf's response should work, but add the -i, so that it launches in interactive mode (so you should be able to see the results locally) |
| 21:35 | < DreadPirate> | that simple command runs the ipconfig /all utility on the remote machine, but displays the output locally |
| 21:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | Are you sure -i is interactive mode? |
| 21:35 | <@MahalAtWork> | Dread: hey duh I didn't try that >.> |
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| 21:35 | < DreadPirate> | sorry - just going by the help file I had from when I ran it |
| 21:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah |
| 21:36 | < GeekSoldier|bed> | I've got the URL |
| 21:36 | <@MahalAtWork> | Nono, I mean I actually *didn't* try that, which was dumb of me. |
| 21:37 | < DreadPirate> | ahh |
| 21:37 | < GeekSoldier|bed> | microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/utilities/psexec.mspx |
| 21:37 | < GeekSoldier|bed> | thar ye go... time to sleep now. |
| 21:37 | < GeekSoldier|bed> | goodnight, all! |
| 21:38 | | * MahalAtWork tries: |
| 21:39 | <@MahalAtWork> | psexe \\remote -c -f Script.vbs |
| 21:39 | <@MahalAtWork> | Results: The specified application is not on the path. |
| 21:39 | < DreadPirate> | mahal - does the script already exist on the remote system? |
| 21:39 | <@MahalAtWork> | No. |
| 21:40 | <@MahalAtWork> | -c is copy to remote system, -f is copy even if it exists on remote system. |
| 21:40 | <@McMartin> | Did you actually type psexe or psexec? |
| 21:40 | <@MahalAtWork> | psexec. |
| 21:40 | < DreadPirate> | mahal - you may need to supply the full path to where you want the script to go |
| 21:40 | <@MahalAtWork> | ... akk. |
| 21:40 | | * MahalAtWork tries |
| 21:41 | <@MahalAtWork> | No, fail. |
| 21:41 | < DreadPirate> | what is the error? |
| 21:41 | <@MahalAtWork> | Results: The specified application is not on the path. |
| 21:41 | < DreadPirate> | hmm |
| 21:42 | | * MahalAtWork WANT this to WORK damnit |
| 21:42 | | * MahalAtWork grins |
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| 21:43 | < DreadPirate> | can you copy the file to the server ahead of time, using another command? |
| 21:43 | | * MahalAtWork notes the help file there, if GS's copy wasn't noticed. |
| 21:43 | <@MahalAtWork> | http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/utilities/psexec.mspx |
| 21:43 | <@MahalAtWork> | ... I didn't think of that iether. |
| 21:44 | <@MahalAtWork> | god I am dumb today. |
| 21:44 | < DreadPirate> | I'm thinking the copying it to the remote system at the same time as running it may be causing some difficulty |
| 21:44 | | * DreadPirate hugs mahal |
| 21:44 | < DreadPirate> | I call them brainfart days |
| 21:44 | < DreadPirate> | I have them myself |
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| 21:48 | < Xiphias> | The help page uses the term program, perhaps it won't directly run a .vbs file? |
| 21:48 | < DreadPirate> | xiphias - that might be it |
| 21:48 | < DreadPirate> | cscript! |
| 21:48 | <@MahalAtWork> | Hunh? |
| 21:48 | | * DreadPirate digs deep into unused portions of his memory |
| 21:48 | < DreadPirate> | one sec |
| 21:50 | < DreadPirate> | hmm - can anyone see this comment? |
| 21:50 | < Xiphias> | Yes |
| 21:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yes. |
| 21:51 | < DreadPirate> | okay - I tried pasting a link into here, and Nightstar wouldn't let me |
| 21:51 | | * DreadPirate goes off to tinyurl it |
| 21:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's because the channel is +U |
| 21:51 | | mode/#code [+v DreadPirate] by ToxicFrog |
| 21:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | Try it now. |
| 21:51 | <+DreadPirate> | http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/c script_overview.mspx?mfr=true |
| 21:51 | <+DreadPirate> | aha! thank you, TF |
| 21:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | ( while (true) { new WorkerThread(sock.accept()).start(); } ;.;) |
| 21:52 | <+DreadPirate> | mahal - that link is to info about cscript - you may need to run that on the remote system, and give it the full path to your script as an argument |
| 21:54 | | * MahalAtWork ponders. |
| 21:54 | <+DreadPirate> | bah - windows needs to come with grep |
| 21:54 | <+DreadPirate> | (need to pull all 403 errors from a log file into a separate file |
| 21:54 | <+DreadPirate> | ) |
| 21:54 | <@MahalAtWork> | Apparently I need to learn some vbscript now. |
| 21:54 | <@MahalAtWork> | the final bit of the VB is outputting to a window. |
| 21:54 | <@MahalAtWork> | If I could tell that how to output to a text doc, or something, I'd be fine. |
| 21:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | DreadPirate: try 'find' |
| 21:55 | | * MahalAtWork cannot install *anything* on these remote systems; this is work. |
| 21:56 | <+DreadPirate> | ..... TF - how did I go this long and *not* run across this utility before? *thwaps himself* |
| 21:56 | <@MahalAtWork> | Oh wait, cscript is already there >.> |
| 21:56 | <+DreadPirate> | mahal - was going to say - cscript or wscript is part of the default install of all windows systems |
| 21:58 | | * MahalAtWork bouncyyays!! It worked!!!!! |
| 21:58 | <+DreadPirate> | yay! |
| 21:58 | <@ToxicFrog> | DreadPirate: because you wisely avoid the windows command line? |
| 21:58 | <+DreadPirate> | TF - I'm a windows admin - it's never totally avoidable |
| 21:59 | <+DreadPirate> | and batch files can occasionally save hours of manual labor |
| 21:59 | | * ToxicFrog only knows about that because he ran into while looking for a find-equivalent many years ago |
| 21:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | Then I remembered that I had a copy of the MKS Toolkit, making it moot, and then Cygwin occurred shortly afterwards. |
| 22:00 | <+DreadPirate> | I'm just amazed as there have been a number of times where I cursed the lack of a windows grep utility |
| 22:00 | <+DreadPirate> | this was the first time I said as such when someone knowledgable on such things heard me |
| 22:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 22:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | Glad to be of service :P |
| 22:01 | <+DreadPirate> | hehe |
| 22:01 | | * ToxicFrog just makes sure that all the windows machines he interacts with have Cygwin |
| 22:02 | <+DreadPirate> | not an option for me, unfortunately |
| 22:04 | <@MahalAtWork> | Crap. |
| 22:04 | <@MahalAtWork> | Now I need to run a batch file. |
| 22:05 | <@MahalAtWork> | and I cannot remember ANYTHING about them. |
| 22:06 | | * Chalcedon cookies Mahal, leaves a plate in the channel for sustinence |
| 22:06 | <+DreadPirate> | I can help there as well, mahal |
| 22:06 | <+DreadPirate> | depending on what you need to do |
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| 22:11 | <@MahalAtWork> | First issue: I need to prompt for keyboard input. |
| 22:11 | <@MahalAtWork> | I am feeling horribly forgetful on how to do this. |
| 22:13 | <+DreadPirate> | what kind of keyboard input? Just have the user hit space to continue, or something more complicated? |
| 22:13 | <@MahalAtWork> | "Type in the asset name of the PC you're trying to run the remote script on" |
| 22:13 | <+DreadPirate> | damn - it would be the more complicated of the two... :-p |
| 22:14 | <+DreadPirate> | let me see what I can find out |
| 22:14 | <@MahalAtWork> | Yes. |
| 22:14 | <@MahalAtWork> | I used to knwo hwo to do this |
| 22:14 | | * MahalAtWork feels so stupid >.> |
| 22:14 | <+DreadPirate> | as did I, but that time was about seven or eight years ago |
| 22:17 | <+DreadPirate> | http://www.ericphelps.com/batch/samples/enter.bat.txt |
| 22:17 | <+DreadPirate> | that link might help you |
| 22:20 | | * MahalAtWork reads, argsh. |
| 22:20 | <@MahalAtWork> | I"m sure remember it being so much easier than that1 |
| 22:20 | <+DreadPirate> | I do as well, so I am continuing to search |
| 22:20 | <+DreadPirate> | ironically, it's easier to get input in C++ and vbscript than it is with simple batch files |
| 22:20 | <+DreadPirate> | at least from what I am seeing so far |
| 22:22 | <+DreadPirate> | aha! http://www.codingforums.com/archive/index.php?t-104063.html |
| 22:22 | <+DreadPirate> | set /P |
| 22:23 | <@MahalAtWork> | Well |
| 22:23 | <@MahalAtWork> | as of , er, 2001 when I did this, it wasn't that hard.! |
| 22:25 | <+DreadPirate> | http://www.ericphelps.com/batch/userin/index.htm |
| 22:26 | <@MahalAtWork> | hrm |
| 22:26 | <@MahalAtWork> | I nearly have it. |
| 22:26 | <@MahalAtWork> | my copy line isn't working |
| 22:26 | <@MahalAtWork> | copy \\[SERVERNAME]\Models\GetModel.vbs\ \\%computername%\c$\temp\GetModel.vbs |
| 22:27 | <@MahalAtWork> | wait |
| 22:27 | <@MahalAtWork> | the \ on the end of getmodel.vbs |
| 22:27 | <+DreadPirate> | yeah - the \ on the end of that part would cause an error |
| 22:27 | <@MahalAtWork> | heh, yeah |
| 22:28 | <@MahalAtWork> | \n or /n ? |
| 22:28 | <@MahalAtWork> | hat's the newline char? |
| 22:28 | <+DreadPirate> | \n |
| 22:28 | <+DreadPirate> | (I think) |
| 22:28 | <@MahalAtWork> | rm |
| 22:28 | <@MahalAtWork> | *hrm |
| 22:30 | <@MahalAtWork> | eg echo \n ? |
| 22:33 | <+DreadPirate> | are you trying to stick a line break in the middle of a statement? |
| 22:33 | <+DreadPirate> | as echo automatically puts a newline char at the end of every statement |
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| 22:41 | <@MahalAtWork> | .. oh duh |
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| 22:49 | | * MahalAtWork Yays |
| 22:49 | <+DreadPirate> | get it all working? |
| 22:49 | | * MahalAtWork thanks everyone, doles out handshakes or hugs as preferred, vanish. |
| 22:49 | <@MahalAtWork> | Yes! |
| 22:49 | <@MahalAtWork> | I will need to tidy it a little before throwing it at my coworkers. |
| 22:49 | <@MahalAtWork> | but it works, it contains the useful info, it'll do. |
| 22:49 | | * DreadPirate hopes they duck first! |
| 22:49 | <+DreadPirate> | :) |
| 22:50 | <@MahalAtWork> | Hee. |
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| 23:23 | < Attilla> | Yeesh. How old *is* this paper? It says that this program for simulating molecular interactions takes "15 min to run on a large mainframe computer, almost 15 h on a fast mini-computer, and up to 4 min per timestep on a Commodore 64" |
| 23:24 | <+DreadPirate> | lol |
| 23:24 | <+DreadPirate> | means pretty darn quick on modern systems |
| 23:24 | < Attilla> | Indeed it is. |
| 23:24 | < Attilla> | This paper is from... 1985 |
| 23:24 | < Attilla> | It's older than I am. |
| 23:27 | <+DreadPirate> | lol |
| 23:27 | <+DreadPirate> | great - now I feel old |
| 23:27 | <+DreadPirate> | :-p |
| 23:27 | < Attilla> | :p |
| 23:28 | <@McMartin> | I'm impressed that the paper tests it out on micros. |
| 23:30 | < Attilla> | Hah. On that micro for some of the runs I did with the software, it would have taken 30 days, 13 hours, and 20 minutes. |
| 23:32 | < Attilla> | (For anyone curious, the software was programmed in FORTRAN and nowadays has a Visual Basic facade, i'm not sure what its facade was previously or if VB was around then) |
| 23:35 | <@McMartin> | VB was not, in fact, around in 1985. |
| 23:35 | <@McMartin> | I believe DOS may have been up to 2.0 by then. |
| 23:36 | <+DreadPirate> | DOS 3.1 came out in November 1984, according to wikipedia |
| 23:37 | <@McMartin> | Aha, OK then. |
| 23:37 | | * McMartin went 2.1 to 3.3 to 5.0, if he remembers correctly. |
| 23:37 | < Attilla> | Lessee.... FORTRAN 77 and BASIC |
| 23:38 | < Attilla> | Which makes sense since the next version was Fortran 90 |
| 23:39 | <@McMartin> | And f77 is actually still in use, AIUI |
| 23:39 | <@McMartin> | F90 was the one that let you have local variables that were actually local. >_< |
| 23:39 | <@McMartin> | In F77 you have to manage the call stack by hand if you want to do recursion. |
| 23:39 | < Attilla> | Ouch |
| 23:41 | <@McMartin> | To be fair, F77 is the first formalization of the first programming language that operated at a level above assembler. |
| 23:42 | <@McMartin> | And for chips of that era, when doing assembler programming you do indeed need to manage a stack by hand. |
| 23:50 | < Attilla> | Interesting |
| 23:51 | | * McMartin developed a really cunning way to get the best of both worlds on the 6502 chips, but he's never actually used it for anything interesting. |
| 23:51 | <@McMartin> | Also there's a hard limit on the number of local variables a function can have. |
| 23:52 | < Vornicus> | There is such a limit in C, too, and probably a bunch of other languages. I take it you mean a punitively small limit. |
| 23:52 | <@McMartin> | My prototype implementation was 16 bytes. |
| 23:53 | <@McMartin> | On the 64 the absolute theoretical maximum would be 124 bytes. |
| 23:54 | < Vornicus> | 124... |
| 23:54 | < Vornicus> | 128 - 4, okay, but I don't see what causes that. |
| 23:54 | <@McMartin> | 256 is the Zero Page, which is basically the First Level Cache. |
| 23:55 | <@McMartin> | Also, all pointer values have to be there. |
| 23:55 | <@McMartin> | So I put all locals there. |
| 23:55 | <@McMartin> | Half of the Zero page ($80-$FF) is reserved by the BIOS. |
| 23:55 | < Vornicus> | aha |
| 23:55 | <@McMartin> | And $00-$01 controls the bankswitcher. |
| 23:55 | <@McMartin> | And then you need 2 bytes for the stack pointer. |
| 23:56 | < Vornicus> | aha. |
| 23:57 | <@McMartin> | http://www.stanford.edu/~mcmartin/retro/HLL/callstack.html |
| 23:57 | <@McMartin> | My mistake. three bytes. The stack manipulation macros require an additional memory location for scratch space. |
| 23:58 | < Vornicus> | aha |
| 23:58 | < Vornicus> | So, 123 bytes. |
| --- Log closed Fri Oct 05 00:00:15 2007 |