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| 01:07 | | gnolam [lenin@Nightstar-13557.8.5.253.se.wasadata.net] has quit [Quit: Z?] |
| 03:24 | | Derakon[AFK] is now known as Derakon |
| 03:25 | | * Derakon looks up. "TF: and people complain that Perl is line noise?" |
| 03:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | That's way more readable when properly formatted. |
| 03:28 | < Derakon> | I'm just poking fun. |
| 03:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | /^!include/ { |
| 03:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | $1=""; |
| 03:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | system("echo [include: " $0 " ]"); |
| 03:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | system("cat " $0); |
| 03:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | next; |
| 03:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | } |
| 03:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | { print $0; } |
| 03:30 | < Derakon> | Is this some kind of shell function definition? |
| 03:30 | < Derakon> | I'm not familiar with /^ notation. |
| 03:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's awk. |
| 03:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | Like it says in the command. |
| 03:32 | < Derakon> | Ah. |
| 03:32 | < Derakon> | ...oh, yeah, there it is. |
| 03:32 | < Derakon> | Don't mind me, I'm blind. |
| 03:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | The format of an awk script is one or more /pattern/ { action } blocks |
| 03:33 | < Derakon> | Zero or more, actually. |
| 03:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's 2233 |
| 03:33 | < Derakon> | I use a lot of "awk '{print $4}'" and the like. |
| 03:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | I'm allowed to say + where I meant * >.> |
| 03:33 | < Derakon> | Heh. |
| 03:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | Well, that's still one or more, it's just that the pattern is empty |
| 03:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | As it turns out, however, awk -will- accept an empty script. |
| 03:33 | | * Derakon facepalms. |
| 03:34 | < Derakon> | That would, uh, just result in no output, yes? |
| 03:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | Correct. |
| 03:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | Anyways. Yes. Zero or more blocks. Empty pattern matches everything; empty action is considered to be { print $0 }; empty everything reads and discards all input. |
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| 09:02 | | * Serah hugs Reiver |
| 09:03 | <@Serah> | My mac is being stupid. |
| 09:03 | <@Reiver> | You have a mac? |
| 09:08 | <@Serah> | I have something with the mac logo? |
| 09:08 | <@Serah> | It doesn't act like a mac though. |
| 09:08 | <@Serah> | It acts like a spoiled child. |
| 09:08 | <@Serah> | I had a problem with it and is now trying to reformat it. |
| 09:08 | <@Serah> | So far, for the last 13 hours without luck. |
| 09:19 | <@Serah> | How're you doing? |
| 09:27 | <@Reiver> | Tired. |
| 09:28 | <@Reiver> | Ill. Foggybrained. |
| 09:28 | <@Reiver> | So, the usual. |
| 09:28 | | * Serah nuzzles Reiver |
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| 12:31 | <@Reiver> | http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5418/1493/1600/software_development.jpg |
| 12:33 | <@AnnoDomini> | Old. So very, very old. |
| 12:34 | | * Reiver goes to reply, then stops short as he ponders the discussion taking place at all. |
| 12:34 | <@Reiver> | What is it about the internet that praises neophillia to the point where the old is critisized by /dint/ of its age? |
| 12:35 | <@Reiver> | I can understand it with memes and the like, which burn out over time yet get marched out by lamers long past their novelty stage. |
| 12:35 | <@Reiver> | But the internet as a whole? |
| 12:35 | | * AnnoDomini thinks he's seen that picture linked to thrice in the past few days. |
| 12:37 | <@gnolam> | It's old, but that one's good enough to be in the topic. |
| 12:37 | <@Reiver> | Seeing something multiple times in the last few days makes something old? |
| 12:37 | <@AnnoDomini> | Nah, not really. |
| 12:37 | <@gnolam> | It's a couple of years old, actually. :) |
| 12:37 | <@gnolam> | But still. Deserves to be in the topic. |
| 12:37 | <@AnnoDomini> | Just -- yeah, what gnolam said. |
| 12:39 | | gnolam changed the topic of #Code to: #Code - It's like swiss bank accounts, but for coders! | Have a pastebin! http://pastie.caboo.se/ | Text editors in a nutshell: http://sycophant.wordpress.com/files/2006/03/emacs.jpg | http://www.nearingzero.net/screen_res/nz214.jpg | http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5418/1493/1600/software_development.jpg |
| 12:39 | <@gnolam> | So there. |
| 13:23 | <@gnolam> | MWAHAHAH! |
| 13:23 | | * gnolam holds the POWER OF SQL. |
| 13:44 | <@TheWatcher> | .... |
| 13:44 | | * TheWatcher finds an apparently undocumented `terp error in perl |
| 14:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | Joy. |
| 14:37 | | * ToxicFrog figures out how to rescue an NX session that's gotten stuck in Connecting status |
| 16:02 | | * gnolam reluctantly reinstalls PHP. |
| 16:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | Ew. |
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| 19:15 | <@Vornicus> | Oh, and, my opinion on the SDL namespace thing, I personally prefer the subtables. |
| 19:15 | <@Vornicus> | It feels more natural. |
| 19:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | Of course, in practice, it's trivial to implement both |
| 19:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | So I might just do that. |
| 19:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | Wow, downloading stuff at 600KBps is really noticeable when you're using NX |
| 20:01 | <@Karnaugh> | whats with all the random notices |
| 20:07 | <@Vornicus> | we're all mad here. |
| 20:07 | <@Vornicus> | Get used to it. |
| 20:07 | <@Karnaugh> | thats fine |
| 20:08 | <@Karnaugh> | I'm learning Lua |
| 20:08 | | * Karnaugh laughs manicly |
| 20:08 | <@Vornicus> | heh |
| 20:08 | <@Karnaugh> | it's like javascript for computers |
| 20:08 | <@Vornicus> | |
| 20:09 | <@Karnaugh> | yeah... |
| 20:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | ... |
| 20:10 | <@Vornicus> | o...kaythen. |
| 20:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...in what way? |
| 20:10 | <@Vornicus> | idunno. Javascript is actually a vaguely sane language, except that the libraries are fucking scary. |
| 20:11 | <@AnnoDomini> | beer_pump.c: Error in Traffic_Cone(): traffic_light is not a budgerigar |
| 20:11 | <@Karnaugh> | I like javascript for some reason |
| 20:11 | <@Karnaugh> | defining random functions all over as a design pattern is quite interesting |
| 20:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | Vornicus: and the fact that 99% of extant JS code is incredibly nasty, partly-generated page-embedded code, so finding JS that doesn't look like the spawn of Azathoth is a chore. |
| 20:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | AnnoDomini: didn't I paste that earlier? |
| 20:12 | <@Karnaugh> | if I could do like multiline lambdas in Python that would be awesome |
| 20:12 | <@Vornicus> | a true thing. |
| 20:12 | <@AnnoDomini> | ToxicFrog: Yep. |
| 20:12 | | * AnnoDomini wrote it from memory, though. |
| 20:12 | <@Karnaugh> | ToxicFrog: well thats because 99% of people who write JS code pick up a book from 1995 authored by bill gates and hack away |
| 20:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | Anyways. How is Lua like JS? |
| 20:15 | <@Karnaugh> | well like |
| 20:15 | <@Karnaugh> | table.extend = function (dest, source) |
| 20:15 | <@Karnaugh> | table.foreach(source, function(elm) |
| 20:15 | <@Karnaugh> | table.insert(dest, elm) |
| 20:15 | <@Karnaugh> | end) |
| 20:15 | <@Karnaugh> | end |
| 20:15 | <@Karnaugh> | that sort of thing |
| 20:15 | <@Karnaugh> | is javascripty to me |
| 20:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...using 5.0, are you? |
| 20:16 | <@Karnaugh> | http://rafb.net/p/GinLHj66.html |
| 20:16 | <@Karnaugh> | wrote that js today |
| 20:16 | <@Karnaugh> | ToxicFrog: 5.1 |
| 20:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. Foreach and foreachi are deprecated in 5.1.x, and will probably be removed entirely in 5.2. |
| 20:17 | <@Karnaugh> | what do you use instead then? |
| 20:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | pairs and ipairs. |
| 20:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | table.extend = function(dst, src) |
| 20:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | for k,v in pairs(source) do |
| 20:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | table.insert(dst, v) |
| 20:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | end |
| 20:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | end |
| 20:17 | <@Karnaugh> | thats not zen :( |
| 20:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | Err, table.insert(dst,k) rather |
| 20:18 | | * ToxicFrog eyeballs that function |
| 20:18 | <@Karnaugh> | right the first time |
| 20:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | Given two tables, appends all keys in src to the array-part of dst? |
| 20:18 | <@Karnaugh> | values |
| 20:18 | <@Karnaugh> | not keys |
| 20:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | Foreach passes in (key, value) |
| 20:18 | <@Karnaugh> | was trying to reimplement pythons list.extend function |
| 20:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | So your function(elm) is only getting passed the key. |
| 20:19 | <@Karnaugh> | hrm |
| 20:19 | <@Karnaugh> | then my function was for teh sucks |
| 20:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | And what does python's list.extend do? |
| 20:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | Concatenates two lists? |
| 20:20 | <@Vornicus> | list.extend: concatenation in place. |
| 20:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | (in which case you want foreachi, or in 5.1, ipairs()) |
| 20:20 | <@Karnaugh> | >>> l = [1,2,3,4] |
| 20:20 | <@Karnaugh> | >>> l.extend([5,6,7]) |
| 20:20 | <@Karnaugh> | >>> l |
| 20:20 | <@Karnaugh> | [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7] |
| 20:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah, you don't want foreach/pairs here. |
| 20:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | function table.extend(dst, src) for i,v in ipairs(src) do table.insert(dst,v) end; return dst end |
| 20:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | You can implement it tail-recursively, but without an efficient car/cdr there's not much point. |
| 20:22 | <@Karnaugh> | perhaps you can tell me why lua has a method to return a table as a string separated by some character |
| 20:22 | <@Karnaugh> | but nothing to split a string on some character into a table |
| 20:24 | <@Karnaugh> | or not |
| 20:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | On the latter: because it's trivial to write your own string.split, and indeed I have one for download |
| 20:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | On the former: no idea, one would think that they'd omit this too. |
| 20:24 | <@Karnaugh> | well I have one using gmatch |
| 20:25 | <@Karnaugh> | my problem is I'm trying to find a light replacement for python |
| 20:26 | <@Karnaugh> | so I keep thinking stuff like "It would be really cool if it had list comprehensions" |
| 20:26 | <@Karnaugh> | instead of just accepting what it does have :P |
| 20:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | Heh. Well, it's flexible enough that lots of stuff is easy to add, although if you want to modify the actual grammar, something like metalua is the way to go. |
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| 21:36 | <@jerith> | I had to check twice that this was the right channl. |
| 21:36 | <@jerith> | +e |
| 21:36 | <@jerith> | Odd seeing Karnaugh in here too. :-) |
| 21:37 | <@Reiver> | :) |
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