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| 08:14 | | * Mahal wibbles at you all |
| 08:18 | | * ChalcyAFK huggles Mahal |
| 08:18 | <@Mahal> | Hi, my name is Mahal, and it's been MONTHS since I last coded :) |
| 08:19 | | * ChalcyAFK supplies cookies |
| 08:19 | | * GeekSoldier offers emacs and a keyboard. |
| 08:19 | <@Mahal> | Yey! |
| 08:19 | <@Mahal> | meep |
| 08:20 | <@Mahal> | I have a website to put together. |
| 08:20 | <@Mahal> | and it appear I've forgotten all I knew about PHP/MySQL |
| 08:20 | <@Mahal> | (this is bad) |
| 08:21 | <@ChalcyAFK> | yes |
| 08:21 | | * Mahal hug her reference manual >.> |
| 08:22 | <@Mahal> | (i can remember most of the useful bits. Just not how ot put it all *together* |
| 08:22 | | * Mahal is scanning old code of hers, getting it all back together. |
| 08:22 | <@Mahal> | And this was not the best time to realise I don't have shell access on Cyclenut's account. |
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| 09:00 | | * Mahal jestertoes! |
| 09:00 | <@Mahal> | Oops, wrong chat. |
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| 12:18 | < MyCatSchemes> | http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/8674/msvcppgoodtipkq3.png |
| 12:20 | < GeekSoldier> | That is an incredibly good tip. |
| 12:22 | < MyCatSchemes> | That's what the elephant circumcisionist said. |
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| 15:58 | <@ToxicFrog> | ... |
| 15:58 | <@ToxicFrog> | I have a PCI ATI Mach64 video card. |
| 15:58 | <@ToxicFrog> | How did that happen? |
| 15:58 | <@ToxicFrog> | More to the point, do I dare put it into Durandal to see if it works? |
| 16:00 | < GeekSoldier> | heh, wow. |
| 16:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | The answer: yes, I do, and yes, it does. |
| 16:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | Kick ass. |
| 16:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | If I can switch between video cards at runtime, victory ismine. |
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| 21:59 | < gnolam> | Tell me again why GCC isn't set to -Wall -pedantic by default? :P |
| 21:59 | <@jerith> | gnolam: Because compiles would be orders of magnitude more noisy. |
| 22:01 | < gnolam> | Yes. Meaning if you really need to, you can tell it /not/ to complain about certain things. |
| 22:01 | < gnolam> | Because my GOD the things get away with without the compiler complaining. |
| 22:02 | <@jerith> | Yes, but it would offend a lot of people. |
| 22:02 | <@jerith> | It's standard in all my Makefiles, though. |
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| 22:04 | < gnolam> | Those people offend /me/. :P |
| 22:05 | <@jerith> | Submit a patch. :-P |
| 22:05 | < gnolam> | I know better than to interact with the GNU crowd. |
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| 22:11 | <@Vornicus> | Make is a scary, scary, horrible thing. |
| 22:11 | | * GeekSoldier kicks make in the wang |
| 22:11 | | * jerith hands Vornicus a rake. |
| 22:12 | <@jerith> | Make is orders of magnitude saner than ant. |
| 22:12 | <@Vornicus> | Heh |
| 22:12 | <@Vornicus> | rake was pretty nice, but anything Ruby nowadays leaves a bad taste in my mouth. |
| 22:12 | <@jerith> | I've never actually used rake. |
| 22:12 | <@jerith> | Vornicus: Because of the language or other stuff? |
| 22:12 | <@Vornicus> | The language, mostly. |
| 22:13 | | * gnolam shudders. |
| 22:13 | < gnolam> | Make. |
| 22:13 | | * gnolam shudders again. |
| 22:13 | <@jerith> | I haven't yet seen a build script language I like yet, though. |
| 22:14 | <@Vornicus> | The documentation or lack thereof didn't help. |
| 22:14 | <@Vornicus> | But the thing that really got to me was the operator overload thing. |
| 22:15 | < gnolam> | There's Design By Committee (Java), there's Design By Evolution (C++), and then there's Design By Crack Smoking (Make). |
| 22:15 | <@Vornicus> | You want to change the way an existing type acts when you operate on it with a type of your own? you ahve to move aside and proxy the original method. |
| 22:16 | <@Vornicus> | Python's is far saner, with __radd__ |
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| 22:16 | <@jerith> | Yeah, Python's saner overall. |
| 22:17 | <@jerith> | Py3k looks pretty shiny, too. |
| 22:18 | | * Vornicus doesn't mind Java as a language. The library is a shrieking horror though. |
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| 22:19 | <@jerith> | Yeah. |
| 22:19 | < JohnBDoe> | Whyso? |
| 22:20 | < JohnBDoe> | I found it helpful. |
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| 22:22 | <@jerith> | Java's... yeah. |
| 22:22 | <@jerith> | It's not the worst. |
| 22:22 | <@jerith> | But it's very boandage-and-discipline. |
| 22:23 | <@jerith> | -a |
| 22:23 | <@jerith> | And the library is variable at best. |
| 22:24 | <@Vornicus> | a lot of it just doesn't hang together properly; see in particular Swing/AWT, the calendar stuff, and the multiple implementations of container classes when really when you get down to it you just need one that's a listy thing and one that's a dictionary-y thing. |
| 22:25 | <@jerith> | But an array and a linked list are different! |
| 22:26 | <@Vornicus> | But I kinda liked rake, I created a thing that could call ghostscript using actual things as opposed to strings representing these things, and then use it. |
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| 22:35 | <@Vornicus> | mass_ps_generate 'SCALEFACTOR/city/COLOR/CITY.png', 'src/CITY.ps', 'src/faction.ps', 'src/base.ps' |
| 22:35 | <@Vornicus> | But yeah, doing that, it was pretty relaxing. |
| 23:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | __radd__? |
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| 23:36 | <@Vornicus> | __add__ reversed. |
| 23:36 | <@Vornicus> | The way operator overloading works in Python: a + b calls a.__add__(b), then if that doesn't work (raises NotImplementedError) it tries b.__radd__(a) |
| 23:38 | <@Vornicus> | So you can implement vectors (like, the math kind) and scalar * vector by defining Vector.rmul |
| 23:39 | <@Vornicus> | er, __rmul__, but you get the point |
| 23:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 23:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | Similar to how Lua handles it, except there's only the one metamethod; if a.__add(a,b) doesn't work, it tries b.__add(a,b) |
| 23:40 | <@Vornicus> | aha |
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