code logs -> 2007 -> Sat, 24 Mar 2007< code.20070323.log - code.20070325.log >
--- Log opened Sat Mar 24 00:00:52 2007
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00:31
< Takyoji>
I'm a complete moron with vsftpd, would anyone be able to help with it?
00:31
< Takyoji>
And I barely have much experience with working with the Linux command line
00:45
< Takyoji>
Stupid question; How do I log into the system as 'root'?
00:45
< Takyoji>
Or is the user 'root' used by the system?
00:45
<@McMartin>
Generally, you don't want to, instead using the "sudo" command.
00:45
<@McMartin>
However, setting up sudo appropriately can be a pain in the ass, depending on the distro.
00:46
<@McMartin>
"su" is "temporarily make me root until I type 'exit'"
00:46
<@McMartin>
You'll need the root password, of course.
00:46
<@McMartin>
Ubuntu, I belive, requires you to sudo everything.
00:46 * Reiver pokes about for a ToxicFrog.
00:46
< Takyoji>
I'm using the software bundle LAMP from a Ubuntu SErver Edition installation disc
00:47
< Takyoji>
so just use 'sudo' infront of the command that requires administrative priviledges?
00:47
<@McMartin>
I believe so.
00:48
<@McMartin>
You will be prompted for the root passwd the first time; I think it will then let you go 5 minutes or so without re-entering it.
00:49
< Takyoji>
I tried using 'edit' to modify 'etc/vsftpd.conf' but it says "Error: no "edit" mailcap rules found for type "application/*""
00:49
<@McMartin>
I'm not really familiar with vsftpd, I'm afraid.
00:49
< Takyoji>
oh
00:49
<@McMartin>
Try "man vsftpd.conf", I guess? Other than that...
00:49
< Takyoji>
It's just an FTP hosting program,
00:49
< Takyoji>
hmm I could
00:49
<@McMartin>
I know what it is, but I don't host GTP.
00:49
<@McMartin>
Er, FTP.
00:50 * McMartin uses scp for file transfers.
00:50
<@McMartin>
But that requires people to have an account on the machine, so it's not suitable for "generic upload".
00:51
< Takyoji>
ahh
00:51
<@McMartin>
vsftpd is, in particular, the one that isn't riddled with terrible security holes.
00:51
<@McMartin>
wu_ftpd, IIRC, is particularly bad.
00:52
<@McMartin>
In any case, is "edit" normally a command?
00:52
<@McMartin>
You might try "nano" instead of "edit"
00:52
<@McMartin>
But if it's type application/* it might be some kind of heinous binary.
00:52
< Takyoji>
ahh
00:52
<@McMartin>
Which strikes me as unlikely, but I've never worked with vsftpd.
00:53
< Takyoji>
Oh, it worked
00:53
<@McMartin>
As to the contents of the file, I can't help you.
00:53
< Takyoji>
And I guess 'edit' is a command.. ;P
00:53
< Takyoji>
isn't*
00:53
<@McMartin>
Well, it didn't go "edit: command not found"
00:53
<@McMartin>
So it's clearly something.
00:55
< Takyoji>
ahh
00:55
<@McMartin>
Just, uh, not in Fedora, so.
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02:40
<@Vornicus>
I forget, how do I run a service as a daemon?
02:42
<@Serah>
>_>
02:42
<@Vornicus>
like, usually, when I run certain things, I want it to just run in the background and give me my prompt back.
02:51
< Takyoji>
I've got the FTP to work now
02:51
< Takyoji>
but now apparently the PHP engine isn't able to access files to parse them
02:52
< Takyoji>
"Warning: Unknown: failed to open stream: Permission denied in Unknown on line 0
02:52
< Takyoji>
Warning: Unknown: Failed opening '/var/www/index.php' for inclusion (include_path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in Unknown on line 0"
03:12
<@Serah>
[034139] <Vornicus> like, usually, when I run certain things, I want it to just run in the background and give me my prompt back. <- No clue, flag?
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03:28
<@gnolam>
Vornicus: & ?
03:29
<@Vornicus>
ah, yes
03:29
<@Vornicus>
thank you
03:29
<@McMartin>
Daemons usually have a -d option that means "Be daemon"
03:29
<@McMartin>
The & is "background" and it will generally terminate when that console does.
03:29
<@McMartin>
To be a proper daemon it has to give itself to <init>
03:31
<@ToxicFrog>
You can also reattach to backgrounded processes with the fg command, as I recall.
03:31
<@ToxicFrog>
Which is not possible with daemons.
03:31
<@ToxicFrog>
("Offer yourself to Init, the one true god!")
03:31
<@Derakon>
You recall correctly, TF.
03:31
<@ToxicFrog>
Takyoji: what does PHP have to do with FTP, out of curiosity?
03:31
<@ToxicFrog>
Sorry I wasn't around earlier, I run a vsftpd myself.
03:32
<@gnolam>
I'm assuming it's just for the uploading of the PHP files to a webserver.
03:33
<@ToxicFrog>
...but he already has shell on the system he's setting vsftpd up on.
03:33
< Takyoji>
oh
03:33
< Takyoji>
I have the LAMP software bundle
03:33
<@ToxicFrog>
So if all it's for is uploading for the webserver, rsync 4tw.
03:33
<@ToxicFrog>
Or, better yet, sshfs.
03:33
<@ToxicFrog>
Which rocks so hard.
03:34
< Takyoji>
And yes, I do need some help with configuring vsftpd
03:34
< Takyoji>
so use sshfs instead?
03:35
< Takyoji>
brb
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03:35
<@ToxicFrog>
It takes some setup, so if you've already got FTP going and it's a secure link (and you aren't planning to do this /often/) it might not be worth it.
03:36
<@ToxicFrog>
If it's not a secure link, ftp is unencrypted, so you probably want to switch to rsync or sshfs or at least tunnel your FTP through SSH.
03:36
< Takyoji>
Well, I'm trying to setup a development server
03:36
< Takyoji>
within my LAN
03:36
<@ToxicFrog>
IME, FTP is mostly useful for public servers.
03:36
<@ToxicFrog>
public == allows anonymous login, btw.
03:36
< Takyoji>
yea
03:37
<@ToxicFrog>
If the people moving files around have login rights anyways, rsync or sshfs.
03:37
<@Derakon>
Also for when you're just uploading content to your website, since that's public anyway.
03:37
<@Derakon>
Assuming your website doesn't have any private sections, anyway.
03:37
<@ToxicFrog>
Derakon: assuming you aren't worried about people sniffing your FTP password.
03:37
<@Derakon>
...oh, right. Nevermind.
03:38
< Takyoji>
so then??
03:38
<@McMartin>
What is this sshfs you mentioned?
03:38
<@ToxicFrog>
sshfs, since you might not know, is a FUSE filesystem module that lets you mount a remote server you can ssh into.
03:38
<@Derakon>
So basically you can treat the remote server as part of your own filesystem.
03:38
<@Derakon>
And use cp and so on to move files onto it.
03:38
<@ToxicFrog>
So, eg, sshfs /mnt/orias ben@orias:/ mounts Orias' root directory under /mnt/orias on my local machine.
03:39
< Takyoji>
But this is going to be a computer on my LAN that I've been most likely considering to not be able to be exposed to the WAN
03:39
<@Derakon>
As long as *you* can access it, that doesn't matter.
03:39
<@ToxicFrog>
In that case FTP is sufficient.
03:39
<@Derakon>
And yes.
03:39
< Takyoji>
Then how would I be able to get it properly setup?
03:40
<@McMartin>
Actually, if you've got an account on the target system, scp ought to Just Work (tm)
03:40
<@Derakon>
All you need to do is have an ftp daemon running on the host you want to copy files to.
03:40
<@ToxicFrog>
McMartin: indeed. FTP will give vastly better performance if one of the systems is CPU-weak, though.
03:40
<@McMartin>
Mmm. Point.
03:40
< Takyoji>
I'm using vsftpd as I said earlier, but I can't upload files to some folders.. and I want it to have access to modifying files that apache will host
03:41
<@ToxicFrog>
When Orias was a P200 I used FTP for most things because rsync would become CPU-bound at around the 700KBps mark, which on a 100Mbit LAN is pretty pathetic.
03:41
< Takyoji>
So should I just make a public folder and have Apache host that folder instead?
03:42
< Takyoji>
Or do I use chmod some how, or?
03:42
<@ToxicFrog>
Takyoji: if you enable write_enable and local_enable in the vsftpd.conf you should be able to touch anything you can as a normal user.
03:42
< Takyoji>
ahh k
03:42
< Takyoji>
thx
03:42 * Derakon shall go play God of War 2 now.
03:42
< Takyoji>
brb
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03:43
<@ToxicFrog>
If you need to do things that require root, you'll need to either change permissions on those things or allow root logins through the ftpd.
03:43
<@ToxicFrog>
(an idea which gives me the jibblies)
03:43
< Takyoji>
I already have both of those enabled and uncommented
03:44
< Takyoji>
But I just can't upload I believe or make new folders
03:44
< Takyoji>
And I change the permissions of the folder to 773
03:45
< Takyoji>
/var/www is the folder I'm trying to modify
03:45
<@ToxicFrog>
Can't *anywhere*, or can't on this specific folder?
03:46
<@ToxicFrog>
...773? rwxrwx-wx?
03:47
< Takyoji>
I mean...
03:47
< Takyoji>
one sec..
03:48
< Takyoji>
Yep, I stupidly had the permissions set wrong...
03:49
<@McMartin>
TF: I was guessing that was for the upload/ directory.
03:50
<@McMartin>
where -wx is kinda normal.
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03:53
<@ToxicFrog>
McMartin: yes, but /var/www is generally the webserver's /
03:53
<@McMartin>
Oh, this was www, not www/incoming
03:53
<@McMartin>
nm
03:54 * McMartin is only paying half attention.
03:54
< Takyoji>
is there a way where I can setup a limited FTP account that uploads files automatically with a 766 chmod mode?
03:55
<@ToxicFrog>
local_umask=011, I think, but (1) double check your man page and (2) I don't know if you can limit this to a specific account
03:55
<@ToxicFrog>
My setup is fairly basic, it lets any normal user log in and rw anything they would normally be able to.
03:56
< Takyoji>
oh okay
04:02
< Takyoji>
yep, it all works now
04:02
< Takyoji>
And as far as setting up MySQL?
04:02
< Takyoji>
It's installed I believe, but I haven't poked at it yet
04:03
<@ToxicFrog>
No idea, I've never worked with it except theoretically.
04:03
< Takyoji>
ahh k
04:04
< Takyoji>
Otherwise I'm satisfied for now
04:04
< Takyoji>
see you later
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04:04
<@McMartin>
Man, it's refreshing to see honest inexperience.
04:05
<@McMartin>
I'd almost forgotten what it looked like.
04:05
<@McMartin>
Of course, it didn't help that most of it involved stuff I couldn't help with. =/
04:25
<@Serah>
<McMartin> Daemons usually have a -d option that means "Be daemon" <- 's what I meant with "flag"
04:26
<@Serah>
Except I didn't know it was -d
04:26 * McMartin kind of has the brain worms today.
04:30
<@Serah>
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i313/cattygirl_2006/Rainys%20Quirks/P289-l.jpg ?
04:40 * Vornicus still wonders where that came from originally.
04:41
<@McMartin>
Indeed
04:41
<@McMartin>
I recall you asking that once and getting about 14 replies with that icon and "no idea"
04:41
<@Vornicus>
indeed.
04:43
<@Serah>
Hehe.
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07:00
<@Vornicus>
REiver: yeah, I agree that the trophy cards should be cooler.
07:05
< Doctor_Nick>
i agree
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08:23
<@Vornicus>
jerith, have you worked with Django?
08:23
<@jerith>
Nope.
08:24
<@Vornicus>
It looks like it's a web framework for Python.
08:24
<@Vornicus>
With all the database goodies baked in.
08:24
<@jerith>
Although my Erlang tut was publicly bookmarked by Django's lead developer, so I have an irrational fondness for the project.
08:24
<@Vornicus>
Now if I could get it to actually run...
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09:16
< KarmaBot>
KarmaBot v1.19. online and ready. Type "!help commands" for command list.
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09:18
< KBot>
KarmaBot v1.19. online and ready. Type "!help commands" for command list.
09:18
<@jerith>
!help commands
09:18
< KBot>
List of commands: !fs; !calc; !roll (!dice and !pice also supported); !incant; !incantx; !spellcost; !xpreq; !gold; !day; /ctcp KarmaBot JOIN #channel; /ctcp KarmaBot PART #channel; !flipon; !flipoff; !8Ball; !schlock; !dmbot; !pointvalue (!pointbuy also works); !autofire; !music; !stopmusic; !listmusic;
09:19
<@jerith>
Yay! They don't fight!
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09:22
<@Vornicus>
That, or they might if they were actually both here at the same time.
09:22 * jerith nods.
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12:03
< Reiver>
Windows XP, DOS:
12:03
< Reiver>
Is there a way to delete files according to a wildcard/regex?
12:04
< Reiver>
24/03/2007 02:02 a.m. 1,000 title.part0000150.rar
12:04
< Reiver>
24/03/2007 02:02 a.m. 1,000 title.part0000151.rar
12:04
< Reiver>
24/03/2007 02:02 a.m. 1,000 title.part0000152.rar
12:04
< Reiver>
24/03/2007 02:02 a.m. 1,000 title.part0000153.rar
12:04
< Reiver>
24/03/2007 02:02 a.m. 1,000 title.part0000154.rar
12:04
< Reiver>
24/03/2007 02:02 a.m. 1,000 title.part0000155.rar
12:04
< Reiver>
24/03/2007 02:02 a.m. 1,000 title.part0000156.rar
12:04
< Reiver>
24/03/2007 02:02 a.m. 1,000 title.part0000157.rar
12:04
<@jerith>
Only the two basic * and ? glob wildcards, afaik.
12:04
< Reiver>
I think this goes on until the 0s run out.
12:04
< Reiver>
I would quite like them off my desktop
12:04
< Reiver>
...I suppose I could just open up the desktop as a folder and select, though.
12:04
<@jerith>
del title.part*.rar should do it.
12:04 * Reiver goes to do that, n/m. He's just tired.
12:04
< Reiver>
...Or that!
12:05
< Reiver>
Thankye.
12:05
< Reiver>
(There is enough that it chokes my window explorer.
12:05
< Reiver>
Old computer. *shrug*)
12:05 * Serah PatPats Reiver.
12:06 * jerith patpats the Reiver, prescribes coffee.
12:06
< Reiver>
Whee!
12:06
< Reiver>
All clean!
12:06
< Reiver>
Thanks, jerith.
12:06 * Reiver knew it was simple.
12:06 * Reiver also did not trust his addled brain to not accidentally fuck it up. >.>
12:09 * Serah dances with Reiver.
12:10
< Reiver>
Serah: "Enter password for this encrypted file"?
12:10
<@jerith>
password1
12:10
<@Serah>
Shit, you should've asked yesterday >_>
12:10
<@Serah>
Must be ninja
12:10 * jerith grins.
12:10
<@jerith>
god, sex, love, secret
12:11
<@Serah>
No, I set it.
12:11
<@Serah>
Definately ninja
12:12 * Reiver frowns.
12:12
< Reiver>
No dice.
12:13 * McMartin goes to transcribe various conversations from the WS archives.
12:13
<@McMartin>
Making this interactive is going to be hard. ;_;
12:13
<@McMartin>
(I'm past 33,000 words though. *dance*)
12:13
< Reiver>
o.O
12:13
<@Vornicus>
This is a big IF.
12:13
< Reiver>
Impressive.
12:14
<@McMartin>
It still (barely) fits in a .z5
12:14
<@Vornicus>
Impressive.
12:14
<@McMartin>
...When stripped and compiled to optimize for space.
12:14
< Reiver>
what're the format differences anyway?
12:14
<@Vornicus>
Pfff
12:14
<@McMartin>
.z5: 64 kB writable memory, 256kB total space.
12:15
<@McMartin>
.z8: 64kB writable memory, 512kB total space.
12:15
<@McMartin>
.ulx: 4GB writable memory.
12:15
< Reiver>
12:15
<@McMartin>
It's rare to see .ulx bare; it's usually part of a .blb or .gblorb.
12:15
<@McMartin>
.ulx is Not The Z-Machine.
12:16
<@McMartin>
You may recognize 64kB and 4GB as being the 16-bit and 32-bit address space sizes.
12:16 * Vornicus ponders.
12:16
<@McMartin>
.ulx is the Glulx machine, which is a 32-bit VM inspired in large part by the Z-Machine.
12:18
<@McMartin>
Glulx also has a much richer I/O library and is capable of portably doing graphics and sound.
12:21
<@McMartin>
And actually, I haven't checked memory usage on WSIF recently.
12:21 * McMartin fires up I7 to check.
12:25
<@McMartin>
OK. It's $3e600 out of $3ffff max.
12:25
<@McMartin>
For .z5
12:26
<@McMartin>
Writable memory used is $7992 out of $ffff max.
12:26
<@McMartin>
I think I'm good.
12:28 * jerith hereby declares McMartin good.
12:28
<@McMartin>
That's 47% RAM usage and 97% of .z5 ROM usage.
12:28
<@McMartin>
The code expands a little bit when going to .z8 because far pointers are computed differently (it uses alignment tricks to keep all pointers 16-bit).
12:31 * Vornicus wonders what these alignment tricks are
12:32
<@McMartin>
http://www.inform-fiction.org/zmachine/standards/z1point0/sect01.html#two
12:33
<@McMartin>
Basically, 16-bit word. .z5 addresses must be double-word aligned, .z8 addresses must be quad-word-aligned.
12:33
<@McMartin>
.z6 and .z7 had Wackiness.
12:35
<@Vornicus>
"Note that the total of dynamic plus static memory must not exceed 64K. (In fact, 64K minus 2 bytes.) This is the most serious limitation on the Z-machine (though it has not yet been reached by anyone)."
12:35
<@Vornicus>
Ah, for those halcyon days when 64k was enough
12:35
<@Vornicus>
:P
12:36
<@Serah>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZiih1fC8J4 Cute ad.
12:37
<@McMartin>
Vorn: Seriously? It hasn't. Not by non-lazy programmers.
12:37
<@Vornicus>
well, okay, point
12:37
<@McMartin>
The only way to blast past the 64kB limit is to declare huge arrays.
12:37
<@Vornicus>
And glulx programmers, with the images and the sounds and so forth, but
12:37
<@McMartin>
So, um, ROTA bumps up against the limit, because it does automatic pathfinding and maze generation.
12:37
<@McMartin>
Well, glulx itself doesn't see much of that.
12:38
<@McMartin>
It sees "OK, I/O Library, now display image #3!"
12:39
<@Vornicus>
Well, okay
12:39
<@McMartin>
The 64kB limit is essentially on the game state.
12:39
<@McMartin>
It's what you write out to disk in a savegame.
12:39
<@McMartin>
(Sort of. Actually you XOR it with the initial state and then RLE it, which compresses things that haven't changed since game start)
12:39
<@Vornicus>
Oh /that/ is how it works
12:40
<@McMartin>
(Like, oh, the room objects and their various properties like connection to other rooms)
12:40
<@McMartin>
It takes some serious work to make the relevant game state be > 64kB, especially when each object tends to weigh in at roughly 40 bytes.
12:41
<@jerith>
!dice 65535/40
12:41
< KarmaBot>
[jerith] 65535/40 = 1638.375.
12:41
<@jerith>
Just create 1700 objects? ;-)
12:41
<@McMartin>
That's some serious work.
12:42
<@McMartin>
Unless you're an idiot and define an array of 700 rocks, just in case the player is really serious about carrying the gravel bed around with him.
12:42
<@McMartin>
In which case you are an idiot and need to redesign things~
12:42
<@jerith>
And here I wanted to build everything out of atoms...
12:42 * Vornicus wonders at memory usage statistics for various games.
12:43
<@McMartin>
Have I sent you dynsiz.py, Vorn?
12:43
<@Vornicus>
Never heard of it, so no
12:43
<@McMartin>
http://www.stanford.edu/~mcmartin/if/dynsiz.py
12:44
<@McMartin>
Takes a .z? or .zblorb file as an argument, gives the Z-Code version, the size of Dynamic Memory, and the total size.
12:44
<@jerith>
http://pastebin.div0.co.za/results/5BAD33G7B.html <-- Does anyone see anything fundamentally wrong with this approach?
12:44 * McMartin doesn't have near enough recent sleep to make sense of it beyond "it looks syntactically correct"
12:45
<@jerith>
http://pastebin.div0.co.za/results/GFE745D3C.html <-- the other files.
12:45
<@Vornicus>
FSMError? You have a flying spaghetti monster?
12:46
<@Serah>
YES!
12:46 * Serah is feeling loud and obnoxious >_<
12:46 Reiver is now known as ReivZzz
12:46
<@jerith>
That's in case he Touches my finite state machine with His Noodly Appendage.
12:46
<@jerith>
G'night Reiv.
12:46
<@Serah>
Nightreiv.
12:48
<@McMartin>
"By virtue of your superior skills, it is clear that you qualify as a superior mutant. For the low price of $30 you can assure your eternal salvation!"
12:50 * jerith sends McMartin 30k Zimbabwean dollars.
12:50
<@jerith>
Soory, we don't have any smaller denominations.
12:52
<@Vornicus>
...inflation: 1729%
13:02
<@McMartin>
I totally have to work the OSH conspiracy into this.
13:03
<@McMartin>
They stand on street corners, handing out printed copies of the human genome project.
13:03
<@McMartin>
In an effort to open-source humanity.
13:03
<@Vornicus>
wackiness.
13:03
<@McMartin>
It's too bad I can't draw and couldn't be arsed to write much; WS was fun~
13:04
<@McMartin>
I think in the IF they'll just have to be random lunatics. In the comic they were actually a Sinister Plot by the Weishaupt Foundation.
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20:46
<@Chalcedon>
anybody about?
20:47
<@jerith>
I am.
20:48 * Chalcedon hug jerith
20:48
<@Chalcedon>
I am shortly going to reformat my computer (finally)
20:48
<@jerith>
\o/
20:48
<@Chalcedon>
but first I need to copy all my files to Forj's hard drive so I don't loose anything
20:48
<@jerith>
All backed up, I hope?
20:48
<@jerith>
Ah.
20:49
<@Chalcedon>
(I don't really have time to sort it right now)
20:49
<@Chalcedon>
I was wondering if there was an optimal way to do this so that a) I don't miss anything and b) I don't get things I don't want like system files
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<@jerith>
I don't really think there is.
20:53
<@jerith>
My Documents, etc. of course.
20:53
<@Chalcedon>
ok thanks :)
20:54
<@Chalcedon>
I'll be back later to ask about how to partition the drive, but I have a house to clean at the moment.
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