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| 03:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | Argh |
| 03:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | My AI has stopped working |
| 03:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | But I didn't make any changes except adding comments ;.; |
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| 03:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...fuck |
| 03:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | My alpha-beta search and my minimax search are getting different results! |
| 03:52 | < Doctor_Nick> | sweet |
| 03:52 | < Doctor_Nick> | oh |
| 03:52 | < Doctor_Nick> | is that bad? |
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| 04:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | Doctor_Nick: yes. |
| 04:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | Alpha-beta is meant to generate the same results as a minimax. |
| 04:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | It just does it faster. |
| 04:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | Anyways, fixed now. |
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| 04:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...pfft |
| 04:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | On the subject of ghdl, talking to someone else who independently developed a bash script that does the same thing: |
| 04:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | <oddigy> taking great pains to ensure site author does not find said leech script and modify site ;) |
| 04:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | <oddigy> i will email |
| 04:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | <ToxicFrog> It is in fact searchable. |
| 04:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | <ToxicFrog> Aah. |
| 04:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | <ToxicFrog> I should probably apologize; the site used to be trivially easy to parse. |
| 04:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | <ToxicFrog> Then I posted my script. |
| 04:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | * oddigy laughs |
| 04:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | <ToxicFrog> It got harder, so I updated and posted again. |
| 04:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | <oddigy> that was YOUR script that made the rounds? |
| 04:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | <oddigy> yeah, stop that ;) |
| 04:27 | | * ReivClass sells TF on the black market, uses the proceeds to buy a new computer. |
| 04:32 | | * Serah steals ReivClass's attention. |
| 04:32 | | * Serah is now the proud owner of ReivClass's attention. |
| 04:32 | < Doctor_Nick> | HE'S MINE, BITCH! |
| 04:32 | | * ReivClass warns you won't be owning /that/ for long. It is easy to grab, impossible to keep. |
| 04:33 | < Serah> | :p |
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| 05:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | Random wtf of the day: |
| 05:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | MS offers a library and set of tools for music and sound handling in directX games, called XACT - Cross-Platform Audio Creation Tool. |
| 05:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | Not only is this "cross-platform" library specific to DirectX, it's specific to Windows XP. |
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| 06:55 | <@Reiver> | ToxicFrog? |
| 06:55 | <@Reiver> | Do you have reccomendations as to a usable-yet-cheap-as-possible gfx card, and/or be able to ponder such things? |
| 06:55 | <@Reiver> | For a PCIE mobo. |
| 06:58 | <@ToxicFrog> | If by usable you mean "will get graphics from system memory to video memory to monitor with minimum of fuss", a PCI R9200 or thereabouts will do nicely and cost next to nothing. |
| 06:58 | <@ToxicFrog> | If you actually want to game with it this is a different sack of ferrets, but one we've already discussed. |
| 06:59 | <@Reiver> | Yeah, it's the Raedons etc. |
| 07:00 | <@Reiver> | I'm... eyeing my now-old Planned PC, and wondering just where I can cut absolute corners, in the name of getting a new, workable machine working - which I could then /later/ upgrade as funds came avalable. |
| 07:01 | <@Reiver> | GFX cards being a logical place to start given a decent one costs a lot, and their prices tend to atrophy fairly rapidly as time goes by, meanining I could get it 'working' now, 'gaming' with reasonable efficiency /later/. |
| 07:01 | <@Reiver> | (AKA buy the 1950 Pro once it's price has dropped. It won't be able to play Shiny New Games of that era the same, but it'll work just fine on SupCom and Oblivion~) |
| 07:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | But you still want something that you'll be able to do some gaming on? |
| 07:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | Becuase otherwise there's no reason to ask for advice, you just grab an old PCI card and use that. |
| 07:04 | <@Reiver> | Weeell... |
| 07:04 | <@Reiver> | About this point we start looking at just what the price difference is between "Cheapest possible" and "Cheapest possible that isn't utter crap". |
| 07:05 | <@Reiver> | Sometimes you can get a fairly substantial improvement in specs for only a modest price hike. |
| 07:05 | <@Reiver> | Other times you have to pay a lot, at which point I don't bother, but... |
| 07:05 | <@Reiver> | ...I don't know how such things work, either direction. |
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| 07:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | Well, I'm on my way to bed, but some preliminary suggestions - |
| 07:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | - hmm. |
| 07:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | I was going to suggest a PCIE X800 or X600, which should be going for <$60 now. |
| 07:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | But I can't find anyone who sells them now. |
| 07:16 | <@Reiver> | Yeees, this is the pain I've pondered. |
| 07:16 | <@Reiver> | The properly cheap stuff *isn't there*. >.> |
| 07:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | Well, it is there. |
| 07:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's just that it's all AGP. |
| 07:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | slep |
| 07:18 | <@Reiver> | Which is a bit of a pain. Rightoh. |
| 07:18 | <@Reiver> | Nini! |
| 07:18 | <@Reiver> | Thanks. |
| 07:18 | | * Reiver will continue to Ponder, he supposes. |
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| 22:48 | | * Vornicus randomly gets back to drawing things in PostScript. |
| 22:48 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
| 22:52 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[zZzZ] |
| 22:54 | | * ToxicFrog works on the next, more awesome version of blcgen |
| 22:56 | | * Vornicus tries to figure out how to center text. |
| 22:58 | <@ToxicFrog> | Check the ctext function in stoatburgers.ps |
| 22:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah, here we go |
| 22:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | % lower center justified |
| 22:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | /ctext { |
| 22:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | 1 setlinewidth |
| 22:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | moveto |
| 22:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | dup stringwidth pop |
| 22:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | 1 add cvi |
| 22:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | -2 div 0 |
| 22:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | rmoveto |
| 22:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | true charpath |
| 22:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | stroke |
| 22:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | } def |
| 22:59 | <@Vornicus> | "stringwidth"? |
| 23:00 | <@Vornicus> | what's the inputs to that? |
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| 23:01 | <@Vornicus> | ah |
| 23:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | IIRC, it takes a string, and returns the width of the string in px if it were to be displayed with the current settings and the charpath command. |
| 23:01 | <@Vornicus> | okay, so, I'm looking at something like... okay, yeah |
| 23:01 | <@Vornicus> | Why are you using stroke anyway? |
| 23:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | To render the string and neatly close off the path. |
| 23:02 | <@Vornicus> | show will render the string. |
| 23:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | But does it also close the path? |
| 23:04 | <@Vornicus> | I don't think it does anything to the path. |
| 23:04 | <@Vornicus> | But you don't use charpath if you're using show. |
| 23:05 | <@Vornicus> | Also, stroke, I believe, draws large characters in outline, and small characters too thickly. |
| 23:06 | <@Vornicus> | Indeed, from the reference, for the operator charpath: |
| 23:07 | <@Vornicus> | If bool is false, charpath simply appends the glyph path to the current path; the result is suitable only for stroking. If bool is true, charpath applies the strokepath operator to the glyph path; the result is suitable for filling or clipping, but not for stroking. charpath does not produce results for portions of a glyph defined as images or masks rather than as paths. |
| 23:07 | | * ToxicFrog blinkblinks |
| 23:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | This explains why my text tends to look like ass. |
| 23:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | Good catch. |
| 23:08 | <@Vornicus> | Better, really, is to use show unless you're doing special stuff. |
| 23:10 | <@Vornicus> | The only thing show does, apparently, is to draw the glyphs and move the current point to the end of the string. |
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| 23:21 | < Takyoji> | Anyone have an idea for a decent name for a website management software |
| 23:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | Website Management Software #8,927: This One's Different, I Swear |
| 23:32 | < Takyoji> | xD |
| 23:33 | < Takyoji> | It's just a little PHP prog which will simply be used for integrating several control panels in one |
| 23:33 | < Takyoji> | in an organized fashion |
| 23:33 | < Takyoji> | Which will be XML based |
| 23:34 | | * ToxicFrog vomits black bile from his eye sockets |
| 23:35 | < Takyoji> | It's nothing major.. |
| 23:36 | < Takyoji> | Just for organization purposes.. |
| 23:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | The last person who said that ended up creating a sixteen-thousand-line, XML-based monstrosity that killed and ate six orphans before it was put down. |
| 23:39 | < Takyoji> | The reason why I'm using XML is because the XML file isn't going to be utterly huge. |
| 23:39 | < Takyoji> | rather than connecting to a DB |
| 23:40 | < Takyoji> | Because then I'd most likely have to make it usable for other DBs |
| 23:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah, but you still need to parse XML. |
| 23:41 | < Takyoji> | Then your solution is? |
| 23:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | Which means linking in twenty megabytes of cumbersome, poorly documented and laid out parsing library. |
| 23:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | Lua tables :P |
| 23:43 | < Takyoji> | It's web-based though.. |
| 23:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...and? |
| 23:44 | < Takyoji> | and its scarcely hosted |
| 23:44 | < Takyoji> | on servers |
| 23:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | Still not seeing the problem here. |
| 23:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | If it's performance you're worried about, I would like to point that Lua is under 200k and several orders of magnitude faster than any XML parsing library. |
| 23:45 | < Takyoji> | Unless if I have a major brain hemmorage and haven't noticed |
| 23:46 | < Takyoji> | This is software distributing, not what I'm using for myself |
| 23:46 | < Takyoji> | How would I be able to integrate Lua tables in PHP? |
| 23:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | How do you integrate XML with it? |
| 23:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | I'd imagine in the same way: you use whatever interface PHP has for binding to C. |
| 23:47 | < Takyoji> | or maybe I'm just stupid and should have originally thought of making the user add it in a PHP script since it doesn't need to be used by other software... |
| 23:47 | < Takyoji> | in an array manner |
| 23:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | As for the actual distribution, Lua is released under a license that basically allows you to do whatever with it, including packaging it with your own software for redistribution. |
| 23:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | (argh, I can't think in C anymore) |
| 23:56 | < Takyoji> | So yea, I'll just make it as an array inside of PHP |
| 23:56 | < Takyoji> | Otherwise, gtg |
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