| --- Log opened Mon Oct 30 00:00:06 2006 |
| 00:08 | <@Reiver> | O.o |
| 00:10 | <@McMartin> | ? |
| 00:10 | <@Reiver> | Mon[12:27] * ToxicFrog kills DirectX IN THE FAAAAACE |
| 00:10 | <@Reiver> | Mon[12:30] <ToxicFrog> "Oh sure, lets have 35 seperate, incompatible releases all with the same version number! And let's make some of them silently fail to install on 2k even though they work fine! That sounds like a great idea!" |
| 00:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | This just in! They work fine /on some computers/ |
| 00:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | But not, apparently, on Durandal! |
| 00:11 | <@McMartin> | hot! |
| 00:12 | <@McMartin> | I take it they differ only in build number? |
| 00:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah. |
| 00:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | Which in turn means I can't play the TA2 beta, unless I'm willing to boot Leela back into windows for it. |
| 00:12 | <@McMartin> | Oy. |
| 00:12 | <@McMartin> | However, I must now dispute your first sentence because it's not a flaw. |
| 00:13 | <@McMartin> | It's just that the build number is the important bit. |
| 00:13 | | * McMartin gestures vaguely at, frex, his kernel. |
| 00:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | The problem is that the build number is not mentioned anywhere except in the extended PE information. |
| 00:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | From the outside, they're all "DirectX 9.0C" |
| 00:13 | <@McMartin> | That |
| 00:13 | <@McMartin> | That's a different problem, then =P |
| 00:13 | <@McMartin> | DX9.0c is properly like "OpenGL 1.2". |
| 00:14 | <@McMartin> | It's a standard definition, not a software version. |
| 00:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | And unless MS backports XACT to win2k, or someone figures out a reliable way of getting the XP build working on 2k, or GPG makes some changes, it seems likely that the final release of TA2 won't work on 2k either. |
| 00:14 | | * McMartin suggest beating their system integrators. |
| 00:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah, but the different versions of OGL 1.2 are all roughly compatible, yes? |
| 00:14 | <@McMartin> | Uh, that depends. |
| 00:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | Whereas the January build of 9.0C and the August build actually contain /different libraries/ |
| 00:15 | | * McMartin mainly recalls having to hack Spiff's OGL header files to get D2X-XL to compile. |
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| 00:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | As in, if you have Jan installed, and you try running something liked against Aug, it will fail to find certain important DLLs because they are completely absent from some builds of DX9. |
| 00:15 | <@McMartin> | Sweet. |
| 00:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aaanyways. |
| 00:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | Not willing to reboot Leela into windows just to see if I can get it working on XP. |
| 00:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | Will wait for the final release. |
| 00:16 | <@McMartin> | Ah well. |
| 00:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | If it only works on XP, screw them. |
| 00:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | If it works on 2k, yay and kittens and deathbots. |
| 00:16 | <@McMartin> | (In other news, I have removed the ATI binary drivers from Zinglon after determining that they didn't actually improve performance any.) |
| 00:17 | <@McMartin> | However, Zinglon's performance in many graphical fields is sufficently poor now that I may have to revive Spiff for graphics development purposes. |
| 00:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | (I may actually try installing it next time Leela is in windows, but I'm not going to do that /just/ for this) |
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| 02:43 | <@Reiver> | http://reaverta.livejournal.com/19621.html |
| 02:43 | <@Reiver> | Thanks, guys. |
| 02:44 | | * Reiver will endeavor to continue to learn Java so in five months time he can be asking slightly less stupid questions. >.> |
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| 07:07 | | * McMartin writes his first JavaScript application. http://www.stanford.edu/~mcmartin/if/nmt.html |
| 07:18 | <@Reiver> | ...O.o |
| 07:18 | <@Reiver> | Tower of Hanoi, blind. |
| 07:18 | <@Reiver> | Evil. |
| 07:18 | < EvilSchemingLord> | Congrats on your course, Reiv. |
| 07:19 | <@Reiver> | Thankye. |
| 07:19 | <@Reiver> | Also thankye for your help. Also McM. |
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| 07:20 | < EvilDarkLord> | That would be my unintelligible babbling that served more to confuse the issue? :) |
| 07:20 | < EvilDarkLord> | But, yay. Shall you be partying to celebrate it? |
| 07:21 | <@Reiver> | I have a test on thursday, so no, alas. |
| 07:22 | < EvilDarkLord> | Woe. Also programming related? |
| 07:23 | <@Reiver> | Not even! |
| 07:23 | <@Reiver> | It is simply evil. >.> |
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| 17:43 | <@Vornicus> | bling bling, yo |
| 18:07 | <@jerith> | Evening all. |
| 18:09 | | * Vornicus coats Jerith in bling. |
| 18:10 | | * jerith parades in his newfound shininess. |
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| 22:15 | <@Vornicus> | bzip2 needs a progress bar. |
| 22:20 | <@TheWatcher> | IMO so do many shell tools (cp, mv, *zip* especially) |
| 22:21 | <@McMartin> | Rule of Silence! |
| 22:22 | <@Vornicus> | bzip2 --progress-bar giant_file.txt |
| 22:22 | | * Vornicus wishes |
| 22:22 | <@TheWatcher> | or cp -B foo bar |
| 22:23 | <@Vornicus> | problem with the rule of silence is that you can't tell if something has hung or not. |
| 22:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | With cp and mv you can fake it if the -v option doesn't do it for you. |
| 22:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | Compressors, not so much. |
| 22:27 | <@Vornicus> | Compressors saying "1.2 GB processed, 208MB written" or some such would be nice |
| 22:28 | <@Reiver> | >.> |
| 22:30 | <@Vornicus> | ...yeah, definitely need to replace the server, this is getting silly. |
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| 23:11 | < Janus> | This is going to sound wanky, but is it possible to convert the output of a .mid into a .mp3? |
| 23:12 | <@McMartin> | Janus: Indirectly, but yes |
| 23:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | Winamp does it handily. |
| 23:12 | <@McMartin> | WinAmp and Timidity should both let you output as WAV, and then you MP3-encode that. |
| 23:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | Winamp will actually encode to MP3 directly. |
| 23:12 | < aoanla> | I'd also note, as a proof of concept: this is how the Doom music mp3s exist. |
| 23:12 | < aoanla> | IIRC. |
| 23:14 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[t-2] |
| 23:14 | < Janus> | I'm guessing Winamp isn't freeware, right? |
| 23:14 | <@TheWatcher[t-2]> | It is |
| 23:15 | <@TheWatcher[t-2]> | As long as you don't get the 'pro' version |
| 23:15 | < aoanla> | Of course it is. |
| 23:15 | < aoanla> | ...how are you not aware of winamp? |
| 23:16 | | * Janus isn't aware of a lot of things... |
| 23:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...winamp is *the* windows-based music player. |
| 23:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | I mean, how do you listen to music without it? |
| 23:16 | < aoanla> | Well, okay,but Winamp used to be the ... what TF said. |
| 23:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hold the hard drive up to your ear? |
| 23:16 | < aoanla> | Well, you could use WMP, TF~ |
| 23:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | Although I suppose you could use a hex editor and just be extremely badass. |
| 23:16 | <@McMartin> | Or XMMS~ |
| 23:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | McMartin: assuming you're running windows. |
| 23:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | Which is why I said "windows-based" |
| 23:17 | < aoanla> | I think WMP killed off a lot of the interest in Winamp. |
| 23:17 | < aoanla> | Which is sad. |
| 23:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | (1) I thought WMP predated winamp? |
| 23:17 | | * Vornicus uses Winamp for making the CI machine play stupid noises! |
| 23:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | (2) how? |
| 23:17 | < Janus> | WMP doesn't have format conversions though... |
| 23:17 | <@Vornicus> | Winamp 3 certainly didn't help. |
| 23:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | Well, yes. |
| 23:17 | < aoanla> | Okay "I think WMP being half decent and Winamp 3 being a travesty...." |
| 23:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | But everyone I know just tried it once, then switched back to winamp 2 until 5 came out. |
| 23:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | Since winamp 2 still kind of completely destroys WMP. |
| 23:18 | <@Vornicus> | But I don't know many people without Winamp. |
| 23:18 | < aoanla> | Also, J Random User uses WMP because... well, it's /there/. |
| 23:18 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[zZzZ] |
| 23:18 | < aoanla> | And, yes, it isn't as good as Winamp (2/5). |
| 23:18 | < aoanla> | But they don't care. |
| 23:18 | <@Vornicus> | Ah, the power of default. |
| 23:18 | < Janus> | That's true, it was right where I never expected to be, ready for loving. |
| 23:18 | < aoanla> | Indeed so. |
| 23:19 | < aoanla> | OR "Why people still use Microsoft software". |
| 23:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | "because none of those bastards are porting their games to linux", in my case~ |
| 23:19 | < aoanla> | Well, /yes/. |
| 23:19 | < aoanla> | But, J Random User does so because it's /there/. |
| 23:20 | < aoanla> | Why get Oo.o if you have Word preinstalled? |
| 23:20 | < aoanla> | And so on. |
| 23:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aaanyways. Janus, Winamp - setting aside winamp3 for the moment, which should never have existed in the first place - is basically the VLC of audio formats. |
| 23:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | Only with more eye candy. |
| 23:21 | | * McMartin ... at Debian |
| 23:21 | <@Vornicus> | Winamp is Quite Nice. |
| 23:21 | <@McMartin> | Well, that's one mystery solved. |
| 23:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | ? |
| 23:21 | < aoanla> | Oh, McM? |
| 23:21 | <@McMartin> | Yes? |
| 23:21 | <@Vornicus> | What mystery is this? |
| 23:21 | < aoanla> | The mystery? |
| 23:22 | < aoanla> | The mystery of the mystery, now. |
| 23:22 | <@McMartin> | Debian's distro of UQM is horribly broken because they insist on unzipping the content files. |
| 23:22 | < aoanla> | Aha. |
| 23:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 23:22 | <@McMartin> | Which breaks the fuck out of our addon pack mechanism, but produces a smaller .deb. |
| 23:22 | <@McMartin> | And apparently re-zipping the files afterwards is too much. |
| 23:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | I would say that this surprises me, but that would be a blatant lie. |
| 23:23 | | * Janus ponders if version 5.3 is the good one or the bad one... |
| 23:24 | <@Vornicus> | Good. |
| 23:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | Good. |
| 23:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | 2.x and 5.x are good. 3.x is bad. |
| 23:25 | < Janus> | Hotdog then. |
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| 23:29 | < Janus> | Haught~ |
| 23:31 | <@Vornicus> | daughg? |
| 23:31 | < Janus> | daughg indeed. |
| 23:33 | | * Janus gives WMP back to Mother Earth. |
| 23:35 | <@Vornicus> | what's the name of the words file on *nix? |
| 23:36 | | * Vornicus is curious as to whether there are any actual words with "ghg" in them. |
| 23:37 | <@McMartin> | /usr/share/dict or something |
| 23:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | /usr/share/dict/words |
| 23:37 | <@Vornicus> | ooh. |
| 23:37 | <@Vornicus> | "thoroughgoing" |
| 23:38 | <@Vornicus> | according to grep "ghg" /usr/share/dict/american-english |
| 23:38 | <@Vornicus> | (and that's the only one. ;_; |
| 23:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...you have a different dict than I do. |
| 23:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | [root@leela /]# grep ghg < /usr/share/dict/words |
| 23:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | ploughgang |
| 23:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | ploughgate |
| 23:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | thoroughgoing |
| 23:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | thoroughgoingly |
| 23:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | thoroughgoingness |
| 23:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | thoroughgrowth |
| 23:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | throughgang |
| 23:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | throughganging |
| 23:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | throughgoing |
| 23:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | throughgrow |
| 23:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | They're all combined words. |
| 23:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | No actual words with ghg in the middle. |
| 23:39 | <@McMartin> | I'm pretty sure that in American English those first two are "plowgang" and "plowgate". |
| 23:40 | < Janus> | Hurrah for kenning synergy. |
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