| --- Log opened Thu Sep 21 00:00:04 2006 |
| --- Day changed Thu Sep 21 2006 |
| 00:00 | | Vornicus [~vorn@Nightstar-18307.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #code |
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| 00:00 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[afk] |
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| 01:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | How is your awk broken? |
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| 02:24 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | My awk is broken in the sense that I don't know shit about awk. |
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| 02:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 02:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | your awk-fu is broken, not your /bin/awk. |
| 02:27 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | yes. |
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| 17:20 | < Vornotron> | Beware! |
| 17:23 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[afk] |
| 17:24 | < Vornotron> | ...I want taskbar item sorting, but not grouping. |
| 18:41 | | Netsplit DeepThought.NY.US.Nightstar.Net <-> Blargh.CA.US.Nightstar.Net quits: EvilNromLord |
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| 18:52 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
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| 19:32 | | * jerith wanders in. |
| 19:32 | < Vornotron> | morning jerith |
| 19:33 | <@jerith> | Evening, actually. (In *real* timezones, that is.) |
| 19:33 | < Vornotron> | not morning here, either. |
| 19:33 | < Vornotron> | Might be in Zoo Kneeland. |
| 19:34 | < Vornotron> | that, or "too fucking early", which is a different time entirely. |
| 19:35 | | * jerith nods. |
| 19:35 | <@jerith> | I hate "design review suggestions" from people on other teams which basically amount to "do it our way or else". That is all. |
| 19:36 | | * Vornotron agrees |
| 19:37 | <@jerith> | To be fair, "our way" makes a certain amount of sense in some contexts. But it leads to a horribly ugly API. |
| 19:37 | <@jerith> | Horribly uglier even than the one we have. |
| 19:37 | <@jerith> | And the contexts in which it makes sense may or may not ever come to pass. |
| 19:38 | <@Chalcedon> | its morning here |
| 19:38 | <@Chalcedon> | it is 6.38 an |
| 19:38 | <@Chalcedon> | *am |
| 19:38 | <@Chalcedon> | thus, likely 'too damn early' |
| 19:38 | < Vornotron> | Yeah, anything before 8 is too damn early. |
| 19:39 | | * jerith nods. |
| 19:39 | <@jerith> | In other news, * jerith stabs his router. |
| 19:39 | <@Chalcedon> | heh |
| 19:39 | | * Chalcedon gives jerith a cookie |
| 19:39 | < Vornotron> | why do you stab your router? |
| 19:39 | <@jerith> | Apparently the "I am connected" light /actually/ means "I was connected at some time in the past and may of may not have silently dropped the connection without telling anyone". |
| 19:40 | <@jerith> | Also, "I want to be connected for more than five minutes at a time" is apparently not a valid command. |
| 19:40 | < Vornotron> | ow. |
| 19:40 | <@jerith> | And it lives on the other side of the room, so I have to get out of bed to reconnect. |
| 19:41 | <@jerith> | Because the bloody "connect" button in the web interface is greyed out. Permanently. |
| 19:41 | < Vornotron> | ew ew ew |
| 19:41 | <@jerith> | As soon as there is a stable openWRT that supports my 3g card, I'm switching. |
| 19:42 | | * jerith requires a hug. |
| 19:42 | | * Vornotron applies a hug. |
| 19:43 | <@jerith> | In other news, Mommy's arriving tomorrow. |
| 19:43 | <@jerith> | So I have shaved and will be collecting a haircut on the way to the airport. :-) |
| 19:43 | | * Vornotron also applies stoatburgers. |
| 19:51 | | * EvilNromLord ponders. Would any of you lot know of a good HTML/PHP editor for Windoze? |
| 19:51 | | EvilNromLord is now known as EvilDarkLord |
| 19:51 | | * EvilDarkLord is too incompetent to get the bloody emacs packages working. |
| 19:53 | <@jerith> | gvim? |
| 19:53 | < Vornotron> | Dreamweaver is perhaps the best HTML editor system out there. |
| 19:53 | | * jerith ducks. |
| 19:53 | < EvilDarkLord> | I know. I'm just a bit averse to coughing up a few hundred bucks for it. |
| 19:53 | < Vornotron> | But it's spendy. |
| 19:53 | < Vornotron> | Try SciTE. |
| 19:54 | <@jerith> | Seriously, if you're comfortable in vim, gvim's a good choice. |
| 19:54 | <@jerith> | It's the only editor I actually use in Windows. |
| 19:55 | <@jerith> | Never bothered to look for a working emacs. |
| 19:56 | < EvilDarkLord> | Never used vim, and everyone and their dog tells me that it has weird commands. |
| 19:57 | < EvilDarkLord> | (Or at least being hard to learn.) |
| 19:57 | <@jerith> | Heh. If you can grok emacs vim isn't bad t all. |
| 19:58 | <@jerith> | The only thing to get used to is the modalness. |
| 19:58 | <@jerith> | But if you don't know it at all it's probably not worth learning. |
| 19:58 | <@jerith> | Better to expand the effort in getting emacs on win32. |
| 19:59 | < EvilDarkLord> | I did get a pretty good copy of it, I just failed at life when the time came to expand it into php :) |
| 20:00 | <@jerith> | Surely that's as simple as downloading php.elisp? |
| 20:00 | <@jerith> | Not that I'm really very good at the whole emacs thing. |
| 20:01 | <@jerith> | It comes with ruby and python on the distro I use at work. |
| 20:03 | | EvilDarkLord is now known as Thokk |
| 20:03 | < Thokk> | Yes. But then I have to get into the business of configuring the .emacs file, where I seem to fail at life. |
| 20:04 | <@jerith> | Ah. |
| 20:04 | | * jerith scrounges a little. |
| 20:04 | < Thokk> | SciTE looks cool at first sight. |
| 20:04 | | * Vornotron thinks in C, writes Ruby. |
| 20:05 | <@jerith> | (add-to-list 'load-path "~/.emacs.d/elisp") |
| 20:05 | <@jerith> | And then just drop your elisp in that directory. |
| 20:05 | < Vornotron> | It is a travesty, and ugly as sin, but it is freeing me from a decision I couldn't figure out how to make. |
| 20:05 | <@jerith> | The lesser of two weevils! |
| 20:06 | <@jerith> | I want blocks in python. |
| 20:06 | < Vornotron> | blocks > j00 |
| 20:06 | <@jerith> | Or less perl in ruby. |
| 20:07 | <@jerith> | Either will do. |
| 20:07 | <@jerith> | I love most of ruby, but when I look at a line and it looks like perl I feel dirty. |
| 20:07 | < Vornotron> | The only really perlish thing I've found is the / / regex syntax. |
| 20:08 | < Vornotron> | which I love. |
| 20:08 | | * Thokk goes to fiddle mightily. |
| 20:09 | <@jerith> | I don't think there's one single perlism I could point at -- more of an overall feel of some of the methods I've written. |
| 20:09 | <@jerith> | Oh, and some classes split over a whole bunch of files. |
| 20:10 | < Vornotron> | That is vaguely insane. |
| 20:10 | <@jerith> | One of my coworkers had a theory thta that particular library was written in a write-only code repository. |
| 20:10 | <@jerith> | Hey, you can open a class and add methods wherever you want. |
| 20:10 | < Vornotron> | which one? |
| 20:10 | <@jerith> | IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO! |
| 20:10 | <@jerith> | I can't remember offhand. |
| 20:11 | <@jerith> | It /may/ have been an Amazon library, but I get the feeling it wasn't. |
| 20:12 | <@jerith> | (Not because we wouldn't do that, more because we'd have hunted down the perpetrator and beaten him to death with the pickaxe book) |
| 20:13 | < Vornotron> | (with a pickaxe through it?) |
| 20:14 | <@jerith> | (Indeed.) |
| 20:15 | <@jerith> | In other news, I don't like this python code much. |
| 20:15 | < Vornotron> | no? |
| 20:16 | <@jerith> | return self.db.addUser(data['name'], data['password']).addCallback(returnToRoot) |
| 20:16 | <@jerith> | exceptions.AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'addUser' |
| 20:16 | <@jerith> | As far as I can see, the db object is being correctly constucted and passed down the call chain. |
| 20:17 | <@jerith> | But somehow it ends up being "None" at the and. :-( |
| 20:28 | < Vornotron> | weirdass |
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| 21:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | Thokk: SciTE is indeed a good choice, as long as you don't want to configure the syntax hilighting too much. |
| 21:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | NEdit is also a good choice, if you have an X server. |
| 21:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | Which you should. |
| 21:17 | < Thokk> | Hm. This is a silly question, but are there any good editors that have autocomplete features? |
| 21:17 | < Thokk> | And SciTE did look good as far as I saw - I don't have my materials to work with yet, but should get to work tomorrow. |
| 21:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | I believe both SciTE and NEdit can be programmed with such. |
| 21:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | SciTE's is somewhat easier to use, IIRC. |
| 21:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...depending on what you mean by "autocomplete" |
| 21:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | If you mean 'press keybind, insert (possibly context-sensitive) text", both of these do that. |
| 21:19 | < Thokk> | For example: I type '<table>'. Then I type a forward slash after that, and it fills in '</table>' for me. |
| 21:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | If you mean 'press keybind, autocomplete fills in the rest of the function name', probably not. |
| 21:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | If you mean calltips, SciTE has those, NEdit doesn't. |
| 21:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 21:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yes. You can do that. |
| 21:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | I don't remember how, though~ |
| 21:20 | < Thokk> | Cool. |
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| 22:06 | < Vornotron> | gah. time for unit tests. |
| 22:06 | < Vornotron> | WHy I wasn't doin that from the beginning I don't know. |
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| 22:42 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
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| 23:38 | < Vornotron> | stop that. |
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