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| 15:03 | <@ErikMesoy> | http://i.imgur.com/kbXxTgb.jpg Behold, a machine for generating bad passwords. |
| 15:04 | < [R]> | D: |
| 15:04 | < [R]> | Stop using crypt() you fuckwits |
| 15:06 | | * ErikMesoy counts exactly one rule which reliably improves password strength there (at least 8 characters). |
| 15:07 | <@ErikMesoy> | The rest are approaching the Casey&Andy joke "Password must not contain the reversed name of a chinese emperor". |
| 15:07 | <@RchrdB> | "have no more than 8 characters" |
| 15:08 | < [R]> | ^ That part's very likely from crypt() |
| 15:08 | < [R]> | Which has been broken since before Windows cared about security. |
| 15:12 | <@RchrdB> | glibc's crypt(3) does a reasonable thing wherein it parses the salt. "$6$rounds=1024$actualBase64saltGoesHere" will get you 1024 rounds of SHA-512, IIRC. |
| 15:14 | <@RchrdB> | it's not as nice as real pkbdf2 or bcrypt or scrypt, but it beats the Hell out of DES. |
| 15:19 | < [R]> | Eh, I'd still rather pick up bcrypt, not like it's not unimplemented on any given platform. |
| 15:20 | < [R]> | ... I might have fucked up the negatives there |
| 15:20 | <@celticminstrel> | Heh. |
| 15:23 | <&jerith> | Here is a game some friends and I wrote in a week: http://robolock-ii.org/ |
| 15:26 | | * TheWatcher eyes that screenshot |
| 15:26 | <@TheWatcher> | "have at least 8 characters" "have no more than 8 characters" |
| 15:26 | <@TheWatcher> | That's brilliant. |
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| 15:36 | <@ErikMesoy> | TheWatcher: Brillant, surely? |
| 15:45 | <@TheWatcher> | HAh |
| 15:56 | <@celticminstrel> | Oh wow, SourceTree has a major UI change. |
| 16:02 | <@celticminstrel> | It seems both better and worse. :/ |
| 16:26 | < luke> | How zen. |
| 16:32 | <@celticminstrel> | I liked how the staged files and pending files were in separate panes. Now they're in a single list, though still seperated. |
| 16:32 | <@celticminstrel> | On the other hand, I like how the commit message draft area is now permanently visible. |
| 16:37 | <@celticminstrel> | ^separated |
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| 17:41 | <@Tarinaky> | ErikMesoy: Passwords must contain at least 3 letters, 2 non-consecutive numbers, one emojii and the name of a pre-20th Century British Prime Minister; all of which will be processed in plaintext and transmitted across out local network where /anyone/ can see it because security is smoke and mirrors anyway |
| 17:42 | <@Tarinaky> | s/processed/verified/ |
| 17:47 | <&ToxicFrog> | And silently truncated to eight characters in the database. |
| 17:49 | <@ErikMesoy> | Good thing I actually know the name of a pre-20th Century British Prime Minister (Gladstone). |
| 17:57 | <@celticminstrel> | XD |
| 17:58 | <@celticminstrel> | I'm not sure if I do... I think I know uh... Margaret Atwood? I might be getting confused with something completely different. Also Tony Blair. |
| 17:58 | <@ErikMesoy> | Blair is not pre-20th. |
| 17:58 | <@ErikMesoy> | (20th century is the 19xx years.) |
| 17:58 | <@celticminstrel> | Yeah, I knew that. |
| 17:58 | <@ErikMesoy> | Margaret Atwood is some canadian chick, IIRC. |
| 17:59 | <@RchrdB> | Isn't she a sci-fi writer? |
| 17:59 | <@celticminstrel> | Probably. |
| 17:59 | <@ErikMesoy> | Handmaid's Tale. |
| 17:59 | <@celticminstrel> | I thought I knew the name of a female British PM, but I guess I've forgotten it. |
| 17:59 | <@RchrdB> | Thatcher. Margaret Thatcher. |
| 17:59 | <@celticminstrel> | Ahh, so I was half right. XD |
| 18:00 | | * gnolam ...s at this conversation. |
| 18:00 | <@celticminstrel> | And Thatcher does sound a little like Atwood. >_> |
| 18:01 | <@ErikMesoy> | gnolam: Maybe you can clarify Tony Blair's relationship to the Blair Witch Project to help clear up some of this "..." stuff? |
| 18:03 | <@RchrdB> | ErikMesoy, no relationship. Coincidental homonyms. |
| 18:04 | <@ErikMesoy> | And perhaps more importantly, the BWP is fictional. |
| 18:04 | <@ErikMesoy> | But I saw an opportunity to pile in some more ... |
| 18:16 | <@JustBob> | The part y'all are overlooking is that fairly insane set of requirements are similar to what federal password systems require in the US. :p |
| 18:17 | <@RchrdB> | We don't care. That doesn't make them any less insane. |
| 18:17 | <@ErikMesoy> | I speculate these are some of the same systems that still use 5.25 inch floppy disks? |
| 18:18 | <@JustBob> | "Passwords must contain three uppercase, three lowercase, three numbers, three special characters, be a minimum of 12 characters in length, cannot exceed 28 characters, cannot contain dictionary words, cannot contain sequential series, cannot have more than two symbol classes in sequence, cannot match any password used in the previous 3650 days. Must be changed every 90 days." |
| 18:18 | <@ErikMesoy> | Because hey, that old stuff *works* and there is no reason to upgrade it. Upgrading anything is just begging for stuff to go wrong as you introduce lots and lots of new points of failure. ;) |
| 18:19 | <@JustBob> | And now, reboot for updates! |
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| 18:44 | <@macdjord|wurk> | One of the advantages of going in on a public holiday: No one's areound to complain if I work a nice, comfy 2PM-9PM schedule. |
| 18:44 | <@macdjord|wurk> | (Other advantage: As a contractor, I don't get payed hollidays, so going in means I get money.) |
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| 23:32 | <&McMartin> | Hmmm. |
| 23:32 | <&McMartin> | Is there a sensible way to set up a script with a shebang that looks for itself in the path? |
| 23:33 | <&McMartin> | This has come up with Ophis before because Python is not in a fixed location. |
| 23:33 | <&McMartin> | People say to use env, but env is also not in a fixed location, so now you have two problems |
| 23:56 | <@Azash> | Looks for itself in the path? |
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