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| 03:17 | < Azash> | How I usually feel writing software http://i.imgur.com/ZwsGljm.jpg |
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| 08:21 | <&McMartin> | o/~ I've cast an int to pointer, and I've left the heap intact o/~ |
| 08:22 | <&McMartin> | o/~ And halting leaks of memory means every cell is tracked o/~ |
| 08:22 | <&McMartin> | o/~ Designs are a chimera: Ada, Simula, and Lisp o/~ |
| 08:22 | <&McMartin> | o/~ The code is swift and sure although you'd never call it crisp o/~ |
| 08:26 | <&McMartin> | re about 12 hours ago |
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| 11:33 | <@TheWatcher> | Godsdamnit, this is making my brain hurt |
| 12:00 | | * Xires snaps for McMartin |
| 12:00 | < Xires> | TheWatcher; sorry to hear of your issues |
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| 20:35 | <@gnolam> | http://www.fmylife.com/work/20834701 |
| 20:36 | <@gnolam> | But they're doing it wrong. They have to straighten out the cables after cutting them as well, or some of the classified 1's could remain stuck in the bends. |
| 20:41 | <@TheWatcher> | ... |
| 20:41 | <@TheWatcher> | The stupid, it burns |
| 20:43 | <@iospace> | wow |
| 20:52 | <@Alek> | http://i.imgur.com/iWKad22.jpg |
| 21:02 | < Azash> | gnolam: I just developed several eye diseases |
| 21:12 | < Syka> | oh i have a better story |
| 21:12 | < Syka> | old work, right |
| 21:12 | < Syka> | the new building had a decent lockable rack there |
| 21:13 | < Syka> | we asked for it to be part of the deal, since it was a) good and b) then we wouldnt have to repatch everything |
| 21:13 | < Syka> | but the fed gov dept that was moving out was like no |
| 21:14 | < Syka> | it is part of the federal govt IT and therefore must be treated as all other fed equipment and taken or securely disposed of |
| 21:14 | < Syka> | for security reasons |
| 21:14 | <@Tamber> | The rules: They're often stupid, pointless, and futile; but they're the rules, and damned if you don't follow them. :/ |
| 21:15 | < Syka> | HOWEVER |
| 21:15 | < Syka> | leaving the security system + cameras? yeah that was fine |
| 21:15 | < Syka> | in fact they threw that in as part of the deal |
| 21:15 | <@Tamber> | :) |
| 21:42 | <@Pandemic> | that... why..... I can'y.... *facepalm* |
| 21:49 | < Azash> | "Ïfs is a revolutionary new file system that, instead of wasting space storing your data on your hard drive, stores your data in Ï! You'll never run out of space again - Ï holds every file that could possibly exist! They said 100% compression was impossible? You're looking at it!" |
| 21:50 | < Azash> | https://github.com/philipl/pifs |
| 22:38 | <@Namegduf> | Azash: Haha. |
| 22:52 | < Reiv_> | Brilliant. |
| 22:54 | <@gnolam> | ... until I clicked the link, I went "huh?". Apparently, there's just one pixel's difference between 'n' and 'Ï' in this font. |
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| 23:03 | <&Derakon> | Terminology question: does it count as "writing drivers" if I am writing code that communicates over a serial cable with a bit of hardware? |
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| 23:05 | <&McMartin> | I'd want to call that "user-level hardware interface" unless you want to be fielding questions about I/O Request Packets in Kernel space &c |
| 23:05 | < Azash> | I'm considering writing a "paramtool" to simplify getting handles and their parameters, in C, but I can't really come up with the best way to do it |
| 23:06 | <&Derakon> | So the differentiation factor for you is that drivers happen in kernelspace? |
| 23:06 | < Azash> | Er, switches? Whatever they are called in English, like -c or -i |
| 23:07 | <&Derakon> | Commandline parameters? |
| 23:07 | <&Derakon> | They have several names, honestly. |
| 23:07 | <&Derakon> | But you want to make something e.g. like optparse, except for C instead of Python. |
| 23:08 | < Azash> | Yeah and it has several issues |
| 23:08 | < Reiv_> | 'Flags' is also popular. |
| 23:08 | < Azash> | Not just implementation but let's say I do |
| 23:08 | < Azash> | mysuperbin -a foo bar |
| 23:08 | < Azash> | Is that "-a foo" bar or "-a" foo bar |
| 23:09 | <&Derakon> | Depends on how you define the -a flag. |
| 23:09 | < Reiv_> | The expectation is that you can tell it whether -a expects a foo, or whether it doesn't. |
| 23:09 | < Azash> | The only thing I can think of improving is just editing argv so that "asd asd asd" is no longer three strings but one (unless argv does that by default) |
| 23:09 | <&Derakon> | It might be "every token after this flag is part of this until the next flag" or it might be "the following token is part of the -a flag". |
| 23:09 | <&Derakon> | Or even "-a is a boolean flag; its presence/absence is all that is required". |
| 23:10 | < Azash> | Derakon: Yes, the problem is that for a general purpose tool there is no good way to define that, unless you basically have to define the parameter behaviour in advance |
| 23:10 | < Reiv_> | Yes there is |
| 23:10 | <&Derakon> | I believe the only thing that argv does by default is fold all whitespace together, so e.g. " " does not result in ["", "", ""]. |
| 23:10 | <&Derakon> | Azash: yeah, you have to define what kinds of parameters you expect in advance. |
| 23:10 | < Reiv_> | No matter what you're using the tool for, you'll have to tell it how each flag behaves before it can be used. |
| 23:11 | <&Derakon> | Fortunately, you typically get a helpful "usage" documentation out of writing this. |
| 23:11 | <&Derakon> | parser.addParam("-a", "--items", TYPE_LIST, "List of items to process") |
| 23:11 | < Azash> | Mm |
| 23:12 | < Reiv_> | parser.addParam("-b", TYPE_BOOLEAN) |
| 23:12 | < Reiv_> | (I forget whether C handles polymorphism, oh well) |
| 23:12 | <&Derakon> | printf does~ |
| 23:13 | <&Derakon> | Dunno how hard it is to make your typical function accept arbitrary arguments. |
| 23:13 | < Reiv_> | Yeah, well, you can throw in nulls or whatever if you so desire. |
| 23:17 | <&ToxicFrog> | Azash: studying existing libraries for this like clojure.cli and getopt[s] may be instructive, both for what they do right and for what they don't. |
| 23:18 | <&Derakon> | Ahh, there's nothing quite like pushing your code to the remote repository at the end of the day to give a little peace of mind. |
| 23:18 | <&Derakon> | I hate having major changes in only one place. |
| 23:20 | < Azash> | ToxicFrog: Yeah, thanks |
| 23:20 | < Azash> | ^^* |
| 23:32 | <&McMartin> | ToxicFrog: I managed to get some doggerel to scan appropriately last night, should still be in logs |
| 23:33 | <&McMartin> | 15:02 <&Derakon> So the differentiation factor for you is that drivers happen in kernelspace? |
| 23:34 | <&McMartin> | If somebody says "writing drivers" I assume kernelspace, but not all drivers are kernel-space. |
| 23:34 | <&McMartin> | What you are doing is exactly in the insane gray area. -_- |
| 23:34 | <&Derakon> | \o/ |
| 23:34 | <&McMartin> | I'd be happy calling FUSE modules drivers, for instance. |
| 23:34 | <&Derakon> | Not familiar with those. |
| 23:34 | <&McMartin> | But the US there is for "user space" because you have to call it out~ |
| 23:34 | <&McMartin> | Filesystem-in-user-space |
| 23:34 | <&Derakon> | How bizarre. |
| 23:35 | <&McMartin> | There's actually a decades-long debate over the exact parameters over where you should draw the kernel/userspace distinction, and you can draw it mighty close to the metal. |
| 23:35 | <&Derakon> | The whole minikernel/macrokernel thing? |
| 23:35 | <&McMartin> | "Microkernel" basically means "everything interesting is in userspace" |
| 23:35 | <&McMartin> | Yeah |
| 23:43 | <&jerith> | Derakon: "at the end of the day"? |
| 23:43 | <&Derakon> | Jerith: well, I don't have a repo installed on the computer I was doing most of this coding on. |
| 23:43 | <&Derakon> | Computers. |
| 23:44 | <&Derakon> | We have about a dozen different computers all running different bits of code; I just keep a single repo on my laptop that's backed up to a remote. |
| 23:44 | <&Derakon> | And then copy files around manually, since most of those computers also don't have external network access. |
| 23:44 | <&jerith> | Ah. |
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