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| 02:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hmm. |
| 02:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | Why does Xen depend on kernel-xen? |
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| 03:30 | <@McMartin> | That's probably the kernel module that lets it talk to ring 0 |
| 03:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah, found it |
| 03:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yep, that's it |
| 03:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | The description in yum is totally wrong (it says it's part of guest OSes, not host, hence my confusion) |
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| 03:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | Gnar |
| 03:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | VirtualBox and win2k are not playing nice |
| 03:50 | <@McMartin> | Odd |
| 03:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | It gets as far as "windows 2000 is configuring your hardware, this may take several minutes" in the post-install configuration and then immediately reboots. |
| 03:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | Repeat ad infinitum. |
| 03:51 | <@McMartin> | Oh, have you tried turning on IO APIC? |
| 03:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | Telling it to boot into safe mode has at least gotten me as far as !X starting up. |
| 03:51 | <@McMartin> | That's apparently necessary for XP to work |
| 03:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh |
| 03:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | No, I haven't |
| 03:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | I'll try that |
| 03:52 | | * McMartin has been attempting to migrate disks between VMWare and VirtualBox in real-time. It, ahahaha, doesn't exactly work on XP for a variety of hilarious reasons. |
| 03:52 | <@McMartin> | (Puppy Linux, however, does. And does so better than FullScale Distros, and even better than DSL) |
| 03:54 | <@McMartin> | (VMWare has this annoying tendency to set a magic X driver that doesn't really exist.) |
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| 03:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | Enabling IO APIC appears to have hugely slowed down the installer ;.; |
| 04:00 | <@McMartin> | Yeah, that's why it's off by default ;.; |
| 04:01 | | * McMartin grants sandvich |
| 04:01 | <@McMartin> | http://steamgames.com/tf2/heavy/sandvich.htm |
| 04:03 | <@McMartin> | "Like in real life, the decision to eat a Sandvich must not be taken lightly." |
| 04:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | Ok |
| 04:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | The solution appears to be: |
| 04:04 | <@ToxicFrog> | - run installer without IO APIC |
| 04:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | - when it wants to reboot into post-install configuration, DO NOT LET IT. Turn it off and enable IO APIC |
| 04:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | - run post-install configuration. Do not be alarmed when the VirtualBox window has a seizure; this is normal. |
| 04:06 | <@McMartin> | Yeah, every VM has a seizure on any boot that shifts regularly between Text and Graphics. |
| 04:06 | <@McMartin> | The only way out is to go fullscreen. =( |
| 04:07 | | * Vornicus-Latens sneaks up on the Heavy and beats him to death with a bat. |
| 04:07 | | * Vornicus-Latens then really goes to bed. |
| 04:07 | <@McMartin> | WAIT |
| 04:08 | <@McMartin> | OK. |
| 04:08 | <@McMartin> | (midPM) |
| 04:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | And it's running! |
| 04:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | The guest additions installed fine, too |
| 04:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | reboooooot |
| 04:13 | <@McMartin> | (Good to know; I note that my notes were from people migrating installed-on-VMWare XP installs to VirtualBox) |
| 04:13 | <@McMartin> | (This is hard because XP caches the IDE controller ID in the registry and refuses to boot if it changes) |
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| 04:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | Woot |
| 04:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | Shared folders work fine, and so does Dwarf Fortress |
| 04:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | Not sure if it's faster, though |
| 04:24 | <@McMartin> | Then on Wine or than on XP? |
| 04:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | Wine |
| 04:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | A meaningful comparison against XP is not possible, since this system is an 800MHz Core 2 laptop, and Durandal is a 2.6GHz Athlon 64. |
| 04:26 | <@McMartin> | Aha |
| 04:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | *64 X2. |
| 04:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | With twice as much memory. |
| 04:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...also, VirtualBox refuses to run at above 800x600. |
| 04:28 | <@McMartin> | It varies for me by distro, which I have not yet figured out. |
| 04:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | Which explains why everything is squished and looks like ass; the tileset I'm using requires 1280x400 minimum. |
| 04:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | So it's getting downscaled. |
| 04:29 | <@McMartin> | Like, Puppy happily runs at 1024x768, but Ubuntu won't. |
| 04:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | Incidentally, have you gotten puppy to work with x.org in VB? |
| 04:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | I had to fall back to xvesa. |
| 04:29 | <@McMartin> | I'm pretty sure I had to fall back, but I haven't done a from-scratch to check. |
| 04:30 | <@McMartin> | I've gotten x.org to *work*, since Ubuntu uses it. |
| 04:30 | <@McMartin> | But the puppy install was another VMware migrant. |
| 04:30 | <@McMartin> | And xorg wanted that driver |
| 04:30 | <@McMartin> | And I'm disinclined to check until I get paid to do so~ |
| 04:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh hey. |
| 04:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | Seamless mode works. |
| 04:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | And is fucking awesome. |
| 04:31 | <@McMartin> | Qt frontend or SDL? |
| 04:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | Qt |
| 04:33 | <@McMartin> | Oh, Seamless, not fullscreen. |
| 04:33 | <@McMartin> | Right |
| 04:33 | <@McMartin> | SDL is Not So Much With The Seamless. |
| 04:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...ok, while seamless mode works in general, it does not work in any way approaching usability with DF. |
| 04:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hint: it is nice to have my windows actually affixed to the window manager so that I can do stuff like move them, especially when they start out half ofscreen |
| 04:33 | <@McMartin> | Heh |
| 04:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh, hey |
| 04:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | If I switch desktops, then switch back, then click on a VM window other than DF, it magically attaches to the WM |
| 04:34 | <@McMartin> | So it's just DF being recalcitrant? |
| 04:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah |
| 04:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | Possibly a bad interaction between OpenGL and seamless mode |
| 04:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | But it's working now |
| 04:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's definitely faster than wine now that it's not scaling - gameplay somewhat faster, startup and load/save much, much, MUCH faster |
| 04:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | Much slower than Durandal, but this is a much slower machine |
| 04:36 | <@McMartin> | What's top say the CPU usage is? |
| 04:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | Cpu(s): 2.8%us, 50.6%sy, 0.0%ni, 45.8%id, 0.7%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.2%si, 0.0%st |
| 04:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | 10588 ben 20 0 279m 224m 15m S 101 22.4 19:53.36 VirtualBox |
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| 04:37 | <@McMartin> | Not bad at all |
| 04:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | VB has completely pegged one CPU. |
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| 04:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | Well, one core. |
| 04:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | Eee! |
| 04:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | Running it in VB has also fixed the issue where it runs only when on the currently active desktop! |
| 04:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | (and sleeps otherwise, or in some cases shits itself and locks solid) |
| 04:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...hmm. I guess I'll need to give the VM a network adapter if I want to install Cygwin and git on it |
| 04:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | Wow. |
| 04:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | The windows shutdown sequence in seamless mode looks pretty fucked up. |
| 04:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | Works fine, though. |
| 04:50 | <@McMartin> | IIRC, getting bridged net working on VB is kind of a pain in 1.6.4 |
| 04:50 | <@McMartin> | It's slated to get easier in 2.0 around 9/1 |
| 04:50 | <@McMartin> | Er, 1 Sep |
| 04:50 | <@McMartin> | But nat is butt-easy to set up |
| 04:50 | <@McMartin> | So if all you need is to make net requests, should just be flipping a switch |
| 04:54 | | * Consul is a happy camper tonight. |
| 04:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | I just tried NAT, and it doesn't appear to work properly |
| 04:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | Windows sees the network connection and all, and DHCPs properly |
| 04:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | And nslookup works |
| 04:55 | < Consul> | I've decided to forego trying to do programmer stuff, and focus on purely DSP related experiments and research using Faust. |
| 04:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | However, no TCP connections do |
| 04:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | can't http, can't ftp |
| 04:56 | <@McMartin> | Odd |
| 04:56 | < Shoukanjuu> | Port 80 is borked \o/ |
| 04:56 | <@McMartin> | ftp isn't port 80 |
| 04:56 | | * McMartin hasn't tried any Windows installs on VB yet, though |
| 04:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | (can't telnet, either) |
| 04:56 | <@McMartin> | Puppy, Ubuntu, etc. all sshed and httped fine |
| 04:56 | < Shoukanjuu> | http is, isn't it? >__> |
| 04:57 | <@McMartin> | ... are you firewalled? |
| 04:57 | < Shoukanjuu> | I had a problem like that once, and it turns out that the firewall was being overactive and blocking almost everything. It was odd. |
| 04:58 | <@ToxicFrog> | McMartin: the entire house network is behind a router/firewall/NAT, yes |
| 04:58 | <@McMartin> | I'm sure my work network is too, though, so it shouldn't be that alone. |
| 04:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hmm. "adapter properties" lists the MAC as "not present" |
| 04:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | ipconfig disagrees |
| 05:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aha |
| 05:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | I can connect to other systems on my LAN |
| 05:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | So it seems likely that the gateway is freaking out at it somehow |
| 05:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | Although how I'm not sure |
| 05:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | Anyways, I can deal with this tomorrow. |
| 05:01 | <@McMartin> | Yay progress. |
| 05:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | SLEP |
| 05:06 | < Consul> | McMartin: Tonight, I managed to implement an entire EQ (highpass, low shelf, mid peak, high shelf) in about an hour and a half. |
| 05:06 | < Consul> | Granted, the hard math was already done for me (from a cookbook), but Faust makes implementing it dead simple. |
| 05:07 | < Consul> | I may yet be able to settle into a DSP role on this project. |
| 05:08 | < Consul> | But anyway, bedtime for me, too. |
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| 13:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah, the windows resolver. |
| 13:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | How I hate you. |
| 13:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | $ nslookup linksys |
| 13:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | -> 192.168.1.1 |
| 13:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | $ dig linksys |
| 13:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | -> 192.168.1.1 |
| 13:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | $ ping linksys |
| 13:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | -> unknown host "linksys" |
| 13:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | Meanwhile, the gateway claims it's passing traffic from the VM through just fine |
| 13:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | And yet, it works not |
| 13:23 | < Consul> | ToxicFrog: I feel your pain, but that really made me laugh. |
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| 15:46 | | * ToxicFrog throttles bash |
| 15:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | In another shell: env > .env |
| 15:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | In this one: |
| 15:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | source env # blows up |
| 15:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | source <(expression to quote env appropriately) # loads the environment but doesn't export it to subshells or make |
| 15:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | source <(expression to quote env and prefix with "export") # as above |
| 15:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | cat env | sed 's/=/ /' | while read name value; do export $name=$value; done # no visible effect |
| 15:50 | <@ToxicFrog> | cat env | sed 's/=/ /' | while read name value; do export $name=$value; done; env # likewise |
| 15:50 | <@ToxicFrog> | cat env | sed 's/=/ /' | while read name value; do export $name=$value; done; echo $SOME_VARIABLE # displays the value from .env! |
| 15:50 | <@ToxicFrog> | cat env | sed 's/=/ /' | while read name value; do export $name=$value; done; make # fails because the environment isn't set up right |
| 15:52 | <@ToxicFrog> | cat env | sed 's/=/ /' | while read name value; do declare -x $name="$value"; done; make # works |
| 17:12 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
| 19:21 | < Consul> | Surely, there are two network-based open source projects out there called IPFreely and IPAnywhere. |
| 19:46 | | * TheWatcher eyes |
| 20:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | Algorithm question. |
| 20:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | I have a stream of events coming in at completely unpredictable times. |
| 20:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | I need to keep track of a set of averages calculated based on the last n seconds of these events. |
| 20:57 | <@ToxicFrog> | I can't just keep a rolling average by removing the oldest event whenever I add a new one, because the oldest one might not be old enough to remove yet. |
| 20:58 | <@ToxicFrog> | So far the best I've come up with is a marker-based system, where each second a marker is inserted into the list, updated with the average of the last second, and all the window pointers are updated accordingly too. |
| 20:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's O(n) where n is the number of windows, which doesn't strike me as bad. |
| 21:03 | <@jerith> | Keep tuples in the list, where the first element is a timestamp? |
| 21:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | Pros: higher resolution (timestamp, rather than second); no need for markers. |
| 21:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | Cons: doubles the size of the list, makes updating the windows much more expensive. |
| 21:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | I note that performance, in both size and speed, is a major concern here. |
| 21:09 | <@jerith> | How often are the events coming in? |
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| 21:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | jerith: could be anywhere from one every few seconds to hundreds per second. |
| 21:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | We now have a very modified design, though. |
| 21:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | n+1 buckets, where n is the number of seconds back we want to look. Each bucket holds a count and a total time. |
| 21:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's a ring buffer; the odd bucket out is count++ and total += time every time an event occurs. |
| 21:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | Every second, the buckets are rotated. |
| 21:44 | <@jerith> | Sounds reasonable. |
| 21:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | Sliding average windows simply specify a start and an end bucket; when the buckets rotate, they slide accordingly, adjust their own count and total accordingly and recalculate the average. |
| 21:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | So. Every event: two adds. |
| 21:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | Every second: two subtracts, two adds, and one divide per window. |
| 21:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hmm. Actually, counting the rotating of the ring buffer etc, it's two adds + (four adds, two subtracts and a divide)*nrof_windows |
| 21:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | Which is peanuts. |
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